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I'm 70 and love to travel. A very high percent of my matches by EH are teachers. All say they want to travel, however, they also say they love their job, the kid interaction, and where they are employed. Most are still of working age. Teachers work many hours, have few days in a row off, and they usually state that they have read great books on travel, but have never traveled extensively. However......they want to travel.


I finally had to tell EH to quit matching me with teachers. I suppose, if the matched teacher was already retired, it might work. I have never seen a group of people who, state they love to travel and want to travel, but their job always interferes with them doing so. For me, I've found teachers extremely time limited, and a waist of my time.


Any comments on similar problems with teachers???
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Seems like summers off combined with winter break and spring break would be ample time for travel!
Most of my teacher friends can't afford it though. Could that be an issue?

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I'm 70 and love to travel. A very high percent of my matches by EH are teachers. All say they want to travel, however, they also say they love their job, the kid interaction, and where they are employed. Most are still of working age. Teachers work many hours, have few days in a row off, and they usually state that they have read great books on travel, but have never traveled extensively. However......they want to travel.


I finally had to tell EH to quit matching me with teachers. I suppose, if the matched teacher was already retired, it might work. I have never seen a group of people who, state they love to travel and want to travel, but their job always interferes with them doing so. For me, I've found teachers extremely time limited, and a waist of my time.


Any comments on similar problems with teachers???
This is funny because I'm a teacher and travel all the time. Teachers normally work only 37 hours a week, about 6 hours per day and though we teach 10 months a year; with holidays and spring/winter break, we actually teach only about 8 months a year. Not to mention paid summer time off! But I see that you live in a state where it might be different...so that may be the problem. I'm home most days my 3:30 p.m (unless I have a meeting). What teachers are you meeting for God's sake? And are you trying to travel during the week, when not only teachers, but everyone else is working? You might want to try some of the sites that center on retired persons and their needs. This all sounds very odd because teachers have more free time and vaction time than any other occupation I can think of, and most of the teachers I know travel all the time!
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Seems like summers off combined with winter break and spring break would be ample time for travel! Most of my teacher friends can't afford it though. Could that be an issue?
Money can be an issue for teachersin some states. I see the starting salries for teachers in states like CA, NE, and some of the midwest and southern states, andI am appalledI Some of these states have a high content of wealthy areas, like Denver and CA, but the teachers make peanuts there! Northeast teachers make at least $20,000 to $30,000 more than most teachers in other regions. And it is very easy here in the Northeast to raise your salary$10,000 to $15,000, or more, over the salary pay scale by adding degrees and college credits. Teachers here live very well, especially those working in the suburbs of Westchester County and Long Island, and/or teachers such as myself with two Masters Degrees. Plus you get the added perkof being able to work a few nights a week as an adjunct professor (as I do), when you add on degrees.It's the main reason why I would like to relocate, but won't right now until I finish my doctorate and can still make the same salary (and more) in another state.
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Seems like summers off combined with winter break and spring break would be ample time for travel! Most of my teacher friends can't afford it though. Could that be an issue?


Money can be an issue for teachersin some states. I see the starting salries for teachers in states like CA, NE, and some of the midwest and southern states, andI am appalledI Some of these states have a high content of wealthy areas, like Denver and CA, but the teachers make peanuts there! Northeast teachers make at least $20,000 to $30,000 more than most teachers in other regions. And it is very easy here in the Northeast to raise your salary$10,000 to $15,000, or more, over the salary pay scale by adding degrees and college credits. Teachers here live very well, especially those working in the suburbs of Westchester County and Long Island, and/or teachers such as myself with two Masters Degrees. Plus you get the added perkof being able to work a few nights a week as an adjunct professor (as I do), when you add on degrees.It's the main reason why I would like to relocate, but won't right now until I finish my doctorate and can still make the same salary (and more) in another state.
BTW: Education has become the #1 cross-over occupation recently. Most of the new teachers trying to get certified are from the private sector...of all agesWe had 5 teachers last year..one was 55y/o man who got tired of retirement and wanted to teach. Many erroneouslysee it as a cushy job with lots of paid vacations in an autonomous environment...but these peoplle don't make it one year. They come into teaching for the money and autonomy, and leave because they couldn't handle the often stifling administration, out-of-control students, and don't-have-a-clue parents. You have to have really thick skin and great management skills to teach in these classrooms today. And Iteach 7th/8th grade middle school,whichare the grade levels that seem to be having the most academic and behavioral problems across the country.


But, I love my job and I do get a break whenI teach adults as an adjunct in the evenings...so it balances itself out!
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This is funny because I'm a teacher and travel all the time. Teachers normally work only 37 hours a week, about 6 hours per day and though we teach 10 months a year; with holidays and spring/winter break, we actually teach only about 8 months a year. Not to mention paid summer time off! But I see that you live in a state where it might be different...so that may be the problem. I'm home most days my 3:30 p.m (unless I have a meeting).
Forgive me, but what teachers get paid summer time off? I certainly don't. My contract is from September 1 to the following June 30. That's it. No more paychecks between those dates. Dear lord, please don't start THAT rumor that teachers get paid summer vacations. Too many people already believe it's true, and so they say we have cushy jobs. Cushy jobs, my butt.


I work in the summers, so I can pay my bills. I simply do not make enough throughout the year to save my money and live off of it in the summers. You have a sweet deal if you're getting paid for work you're not doing. Perhaps your paychecks are spread out over 12 months, and you just take home less throughout the year. Still, this would not work for me since my COL is sky-high here in NJ.


Also, what teachers only work 37 hours a week? I am quite curious to know what subject you teach since you are home at 3:30 every day. We are CONTRACTED to work those minimal hours, but any teacher worth his or her salt is doing some sort of overtime, whether its taking work home or putting in time before or after the contracted day at work.


We get a 35 minute lunch--not a lunch hour like most people get. We do not get 15 minute coffee breaks. We do not get time to run errands or work out at lunch. So if we are contracted to finish our days sooner than our counterparts, surely those things need to be taken into consideration.


The prep time we are given is a complete joke--can't get everything done during that time especially now with all the additional paperwork and safety policies they put on our backs. I don't know about you, but I am inundated with meetings and committee work that we are contracted to do as long as it's "reasonable." Also, we are expected to do 100 hours of unpaid professional development on our own time. No other profession I know of expects a person to self-train and not get paid for it. And no, this professional development doesn't count toward a pay raise. It's a state requirement, too.


I find the "paid" vacations (i.e. forced holidays during the school year) a scheduling nuisance. We cannot take days off before or after holidays, so how can one do any significant traveling during the school year? And the summer months are very expensive for traveling to choice spots. I agree with the OP that teachers have little opportunities for travel. If there is time, there is no money. I'm sick of traveling on breaks when everything is expensive--and then realizing that I should be home resting from my work. I always get sick on holidays because that is the time I actually slow down and get rest. Stuff catches up with me then.
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This is funny because I'm a teacher and travel all the time. Teachers normally work only 37 hours a week, about 6 hours per day and though we teach 10 months a year; with holidays and spring/winter break, we actually teach only about 8 months a year. Not to mention paid summer time off! But I see that you live in a state where it might be different...so that may be the problem. I'm home most days my 3:30 p.m (unless I have a meeting).


Forgive me, but what teachers get paid summer time off? I certainly don't. My contract is from September 1 to the following June 30. That's it. No more paychecks between those dates. Dear lord, please don't start THAT rumor that teachers get paid summer vacations. Too many people already believe it's true, and so they say we have cushy jobs. Cushy jobs, my butt.


I work in the summers, so I can pay my bills. I simply do not make enough throughout the year to save my money and live off of it in the summers. You have a sweet deal if you're getting paid for work you're not doing. Perhaps your paychecks are spread out over 12 months, and you just take home less throughout the year. Still, this would not work for me since my COL is sky-high here in NJ.


Also, what teachers only work 37 hours a week? I am quite curious to know what subject you teach since you are home at 3:30 every day. We are CONTRACTED to work those minimal hours, but any teacher worth his or her salt is doing some sort of overtime, whether its taking work home or putting in time before or after the contracted day at work.


We get a 35 minute lunch--not a lunch hour like most people get. We do not get 15 minute coffee breaks. We do not get time to run errands or work out at lunch. So if we are contracted to finish our days sooner than our counterparts, surely those things need to be taken into consideration.


The prep time we are given is a complete joke--can't get everything done during that time especially now with all the additional paperwork and safety policies they put on our backs. I don't know about you, but I am inundated with meetings and committee work that we are contracted to do as long as it's "reasonable." Also, we are expected to do 100 hours of unpaid professional development on our own time. No other profession I know of expects a person to self-train and not get paid for it. And no, this professional development doesn't count toward a pay raise. It's a state requirement, too.


I find the "paid" vacations (i.e. forced holidays during the school year) a scheduling nuisance. We cannot take days off before or after holidays, so how can one do any significant traveling during the school year? And the summer months are very expensive for traveling to choice spots. I agree with the OP that teachers have little opportunities for travel. If there is time, there is no money. I'm sick of traveling on breaks when everything is expensive--and then realizing that I should be home resting from my work. I always get sick on holidays because that is the time I actually slow down and get rest. Stuff catches up with me then.
Techno....as an educational researcher/teacher, I hear these horror stories every timeI visit a school that is not in NYC school system. I hear about teachers not being paid for summers, and being allowed not even a full period for lunch, not to mention the disgustingly low salaries. I sympathize with your plight, and see a steady exodus to NY all the time from other states. But it is not easy to transfer to NY becauseof NCLB and teaching requirements. You have to be fully certified to teach here, and it must beNYS certification. We do not accept out ofstate certification.Thus, though we have a high-turnover rate of teachers in the NYC school system and badly needqualified teachers, we are forced to domore with less, in often over-crowded classrooms that are not conducive to fostering a positive learning environment. My research focuses on empowering teachers to take control of their schools by increasing teacher-initiated collaboration, thus eliminating isolative school environments and improving student academic efficacy. If students can sense the despair and frustration of their teachers, it may have a definitive effect on how they view their academic success: in other words...happy, successfulteachers make for a calm, positive learning environment that directly affects student learning and academic efficacy. I'm also interested in research that improves the perception of teachingin a negative way. There are many talented people in the private sector that can bring a lot to the field of teaching...but the negative perceptions (though oft true) keep them standing on the sidelines, somehow waiting and hoping for the plight of teachers to get better before they decide to make the transition. Since you were wondering here is a list of things NYC teachersreceive:


- A six and a half work day (with an added mandated 37 and a half minutes Mon-Thurs.)


- Two mandated prep periods per day (which may include a lunch period as well) Some days I have two preps and a lunch period....other days I have one prep and lunch period.


- At least two days a week with a consecutive prep and/or lunch period (that means I get two periods free consecutively at least twice a week)


- Paid summers


- All holidays (including Jewish holidays), with a week off for Spring and Winter break


However, the new trend towards data-driven instruction has hampered teachers abilities to keep up with preparation for lessons


- Over-abundance of paperwork placed upon us by the school administration


- Near impossible deadlines for said paperwork (imagine a teacher that teaches 4 grades and two subjects, with a portfolio for each student, in each grade....with notes from student conferences and grades with comments for at least 6 assessments per year...impossible!)


- One Monday per month in a meaningless, and useless 50 minute professional development (mostly based on data..and what we're not doing..or something we've had countless times before...a total waste of time!)


As an addition..with the new contract implemented 3 years ago...all NYC schools have to add 37 and a half minutes to the school day. My workday begins at 8 am and ends at 2:57pm. The regular school day begins at 8:87am. The 8m-8:37 am time if for AIS (Academic Intervention Services), for failing students to come in for extra help. For two years straight none of my students showed up and I used the time for prep but my Principal tried to write me up because he said it was my fault that I didn’t make my students come to school a half hour before school started for intervention services.


Now...mind you..with all the perks, we are the lowest paid school district in the metro-NY area...NJ, CT. Westchester County, and Long Island all start at $48,000 or more. But their schools are set up like yours, with a 35 minute lunch, practically no prep time, unpaid summers, and too many hours of meaningless professional development. And some CT school districts get paid once a month and receive little to no retirement package. They have to privately fund their retirement.


So...it is not a rumor to say thatNY teachers do quite well....but we are faced with often unruly disruptive students, in an environment that neither respects nor trusts teachers. I mean, what field can you think of where a Masters degree is required and you make almost $20,000 to 40,000 less than a carreer in the private sector with the same amount of experience?


BTW: I see you're pissed...most teachers are very angry. I'm angry too...but how do I stay so calm? I love what I do ( I grew up in the suburbsandtaught in the suburbs for 4 years and could have stayed there but I wanted to teach for awhile in the inner-city to see what it would be like....I've been in NYC for6 years now and love the kids, despite all the problems I face on a daily basis), and I decided to stop being a part of the problem and get my doctorate (Ed.D) so that I could possibly be a formidable force behind making the changes needed to return the field of education back to its respected place in society...as it was years ago in this country. We as teachers need to figure out how public education in this country has gotten to where it is today...and set things right!


Thanks for your comments...if you'd like to be a part of the movement to get teachers out of the knowledge loop and into the new research, methods and trends in education, I welcome you to vist the teachersleadershipnetwork.com. You can read research by teachers...for teachers...that will help to motivate and inspire you and the teachers in your school. Because beyond your anger I see passion...and that is the first step towards changing the school systems around the country as they are today. You can also PM me and i can send you some more helpful websites. You are not alone!

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This is funny because I'm a teacher and travel all the time. Teachers normally work only 37 hours a week, about 6 hours per day and though we teach 10 months a year; with holidays and spring/winter break, we actually teach only about 8 months a year. Not to mention paid summer time off! But I see that you live in a state where it might be different...so that may be the problem. I'm home most days my 3:30 p.m (unless I have a meeting).


Forgive me, but what teachers get paid summer time off? I certainly don't. My contract is from September 1 to the following June 30. That's it. No more paychecks between those dates. Dear lord, please don't start THAT rumor that teachers get paid summer vacations. Too many people already believe it's true, and so they say we have cushy jobs. Cushy jobs, my butt.


I work in the summers, so I can pay my bills. I simply do not make enough throughout the year to save my money and live off of it in the summers. You have a sweet deal if you're getting paid for work you're not doing. Perhaps your paychecks are spread out over 12 months, and you just take home less throughout the year. Still, this would not work for me since my COL is sky-high here in NJ.


Also, what teachers only work 37 hours a week? I am quite curious to know what subject you teach since you are home at 3:30 every day. We are CONTRACTED to work those minimal hours, but any teacher worth his or her salt is doing some sort of overtime, whether its taking work home or putting in time before or after the contracted day at work.


We get a 35 minute lunch--not a lunch hour like most people get. We do not get 15 minute coffee breaks. We do not get time to run errands or work out at lunch. So if we are contracted to finish our days sooner than our counterparts, surely those things need to be taken into consideration.


The prep time we are given is a complete joke--can't get everything done during that time especially now with all the additional paperwork and safety policies they put on our backs. I don't know about you, but I am inundated with meetings and committee work that we are contracted to do as long as it's "reasonable." Also, we are expected to do 100 hours of unpaid professional development on our own time. No other profession I know of expects a person to self-train and not get paid for it. And no, this professional development doesn't count toward a pay raise. It's a state requirement, too.


I find the "paid" vacations (i.e. forced holidays during the school year) a scheduling nuisance. We cannot take days off before or after holidays, so how can one do any significant traveling during the school year? And the summer months are very expensive for traveling to choice spots. I agree with the OP that teachers have little opportunities for travel. If there is time, there is no money. I'm sick of traveling on breaks when everything is expensive--and then realizing that I should be home resting from my work. I always get sick on holidays because that is the time I actually slow down and get rest. Stuff catches up with me then.
Techno....as an educational researcher/teacher, I hear these horror stories every timeI visit a school that is not in NYC school system. I hear about teachers not being paid for summers, and being allowed not even a full period for lunch, not to mention the disgustingly low salaries. I sympathize with your plight, and see a steady exodus to NY all the time from other states. But it is not easy to transfer to NY becauseof NCLB and teaching requirements. You have to be fully certified to teach here, and it must beNYS certification. We do not accept out ofstate certification.Thus, though we have a high-turnover rate of teachers in the NYC school system and badly needqualified teachers, we are forced to domore with less, in often over-crowded classrooms that are not conducive to fostering a positive learning environment. My research focuses on empowering teachers to take control of their schools by increasing teacher-initiated collaboration, thus eliminating isolative school environments and improving student academic efficacy. If students can sense the despair and frustration of their teachers, it may have a definitive effect on how they view their academic success: in other words...happy, successfulteachers make for a calm, positive learning environment that directly affects student learning and academic efficacy. I'm also interested in research that improves the perception of teachingin a negative way. There are many talented people in the private sector that can bring a lot to the field of teaching...but the negative perceptions (though oft true) keep them standing on the sidelines, somehow waiting and hoping for the plight of teachers to get better before they decide to make the transition. Since you were wondering here is a list of things NYC teachersreceive:


- A six and a half work day (with an added mandated 37 and a half minutes Mon-Thurs.)


- Two mandated prep periods per day (which may include a lunch period as well) Some days I have two preps and a lunch period....other days I have one prep and lunch period.


- At least two days a week with a consecutive prep and/or lunch period (that means I get two periods free consecutively at least twice a week)


- Paid summers


- All holidays (including Jewish holidays), with a week off for Spring and Winter break


However, the new trend towards data-driven instruction has hampered teachers abilities to keep up with preparation for lessons


- Over-abundance of paperwork placed upon us by the school administration


- Near impossible deadlines for said paperwork (imagine a teacher that teaches 4 grades and two subjects, with a portfolio for each student, in each grade....with notes from student conferences and grades with comments for at least 6 assessments per year...impossible!)


- One Monday per month in a meaningless, and useless 50 minute professional development (mostly based on data..and what we're not doing..or something we've had countless times before...a total waste of time!)


As an addition..with the new contract implemented 3 years ago...all NYC schools have to add 37 and a half minutes to the school day. My workday begins at 8 am and ends at 2:57pm. The regular school day begins at 8:87am. The 8m-8:37 am time if for AIS (Academic Intervention Services), for failing students to come in for extra help. For two years straight none of my students showed up and I used the time for prep but my Principal tried to write me up because he said it was my fault that I didn’t make my students come to school a half hour before school started for intervention services.


Now...mind you..with all the perks, we are the lowest paid school district in the metro-NY area...NJ, CT. Westchester County, and Long Island all start at $48,000 or more. But their schools are set up like yours, with a 35 minute lunch, practically no prep time, unpaid summers, and too many hours of meaningless professional development. And some CT school districts get paid once a month and receive little to no retirement package. They have to privately fund their retirement.


So...it is not a rumor to say thatNY teachers do quite well....but we are faced with often unruly disruptive students, in an environment that neither respects nor trusts teachers. I mean, what field can you think of where a Masters degree is required and you make almost $20,000 to 40,000 less than a carreer in the private sector with the same amount of experience?


BTW: I see you're pissed...most teachers are very angry. I'm angry too...but how do I stay so calm? I love what I do ( I grew up in the suburbsandtaught in the suburbs for 4 years and could have stayed there but I wanted to teach for awhile in the inner-city to see what it would be like....I've been in NYC for6 years now and love the kids, despite all the problems I face on a daily basis), and I decided to stop being a part of the problem and get my doctorate (Ed.D) so that I could possibly be a formidable force behind making the changes needed to return the field of education back to its respected place in society...as it was years ago in this country. We as teachers need to figure out how public education in this country has gotten to where it is today...and set things right!


Thanks for your comments...if you'd like to be a part of the movement to get teachers out of the knowledge loop and into the new research, methods and trends in education, I welcome you to visit the teacher leadership network. You can read research by teachers...for teachers...that will help to motivate and inspire you and the teachers in your school. Because beyond your anger I see passion...and that is the first step towards changing the school systems around the country as they are today. You can also PM me and i can send you some more helpful websites. You are not alone!

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"The regular school day begins at 8:87am. The 8m-8:37 am time if for AIS"


sorry for the typo....the regular school day for teachers and AIS students begins at 8am. The rest of the students begin school at 8:37 am.
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(Geez...guess I had some venting to do too! Thought this was a thread about not traveling with teachers...oh well...)


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