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For people who are into more logical sports, here's some background: baseball never used instant replay to determine whether an umpire made the right call, until last year, when they started using IR on iffy home-run calls. I believe since home-run IR started, about 25 out of about 80 protested home-run calls have been reversed by using IR.

So ... a couple days ago, Detroit Tigers pitcher Armando Galarraga pitched a perfect game to 26 batters. The 27th got a hit, being called safe at first base. IR shows clearly he was out, and it should have been a Perfect Game. The umpire agreed, after the game when he reviewed the tape ... he made a bad call.

Under current rules this can't be reversed using IR. Apparently MLB is considering doing it anyway ....

What do you think? Add instant replay on all umpire calls in baseball? Some? None?
 
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I think they opened up can of worms when they started IR.
Now, all the critical calls like the one you mentioned will be up for review. In football, you only get so many challenges, so maybe this is the way to best approach it..
Have the managers get a set number of challenges per game, for example two, maybe three.
The toughest part about this is it will drag the game out even longer...which is not good for network TV and the game in general...

Between the batter scratching his nuts, spitting, adjusting his helmet and batting gloves....and the pitcher, stepping on and off the rubber....taking his sweet time to agree on the pitch....baseball games take longer than they should, now.

I agree with George Carlin's idea of "one swing at the plate and then you sit down!"
the game would be about two hours shorter that way!
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Ah but the rhythm of baseball is one of its many beauties! Except of course when you have one of those *really* deliberate pitchers!

I agree, can of worms. Probably over the coming years MLB will get pressured to define more and more types of plays that are subject to instant replay.

Maybe do what you suggest ... 2-3 challenges per game. But combine it with something that speeds things up to make up for it? Like this year I guess umpires are directed not to automatically allow batters to call timeouts.

I just think Galarraga really should get his Perfect Game, even if it has to be by special dispensation!

Ways to speed up baseball?
- pitcher only gets 2 pickoff attempts per batter.
- if batter can foul off 6 3rd-strike pitches he gets to go to first
- or, batter only gets to foul off 5 3rd-strike pitches and on the 6th he's out
- when pitcher gets the ball thrown to him he has to stay on the mound and begin his move. No more messing around out there!
- allow ties. Tied at the end of the 12th? It's over!

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Ok, so we do:
-2 challenges per game...

-One timeout for the batter to scratch himself(and adjust things accordingly)
-After strike two, any batter who fouls off a ball more than six times is out...no BS.
-and one "meeting" per inning...that includes pitcher, catcher and/or manager...no more coming out to discuss things on the mound...you're pros...play the game....

By joe, I think we're on to something!
 
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Instant replay reviews may only be initiated by the umpire crew chief, whose job is also to determine as to whether a call should be reversed. Instant replay reviews, as of now, solely are set to determine:
  • Home run calls (fair or foul)
  • Whether the ball actually left the playing field
  • Whether the ball was subject to spectator interference
The call made the umpire was a close call. I like the human factor in the game. They aren't perfect and sometimes I don't agree with the call , but they do try and get it right

It would be nice to see the game speeded up. Maybe we should send MLB our suggestions.
 
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VB_Girl wrote :
Instant replay reviews may only be initiated by the umpire crew chief, whose job is also to determine as to whether a call should be reversed.
Not since Selig has jumped into it, though...and he wants the managers and everyone except the groundskeeper, involved..

Selig:
......"As Jim Joyce said in his postgame comments, there is no dispute that last night's game should have ended differently. While the human element has always been an integral part of baseball, it is vital that mistakes on the field be addressed. Given last night's call and other recent events, I will examine our umpiring system, the expanded use of instant replay and all other related features. Before I announce any decisions, I will consult with all appropriate parties, including our two unions and the Special Committee for On-Field Matters, which consists of field managers, general managers, club owners and presidents."

MLB commissioner Bud Selig's statement on call that cost Armando Galarraga a perfect game - 6/3/2010 2:22:26 PM | Newser

Like I said, the IR has opened up a can of worms.
We'll see. Stay tuned..
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I'm thinking the union is not going to be real happy with that comment.

I'm not a big fan of Bud, is this his last hurrah as Commissioner?
 
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I was AT that game sitting right in front and had an up close and personal view of what happened and OH MY GOD!!!!! !! I am still hoarse from screaming at that (*$#*#@*&%( umpire!!!!

They won't give him the perfect game and they are NOT over-turning the safe call. There is a HUGE uproar here in Detroit over this.

And that Ump had to be specially escorted out of the stadium.

There is a lot of talk about what they are going to... But nothing set in stone.
Galarraga got a brand new Corvette out of it, though!

He is a VERY gracious man. He did not say a single word to the ump. He finished out the game with a lot more grace than that umpire showed when he cussed out Cabrerra. We could hear it... lol
 
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That's one thing I love about baseball ... every now and then you're at a game where something happens you'll always remember!

Galarraga breathes class. Could not have behaved better.

More speedups:
- if a player on the team that's at-bat spits more than 20 times in a game, for each additional spit the other team gets an out.
- when all 9 players have batted in an inning, their team gets awarded 1 more run and the inning's over.
- 3 balls / 2 strikes vs. 4 balls / 3 strikes? No, they'd have to rewrite Take Me Out to the Ballgame. Never mind.
- the really killer slowness is slooooow pitchers. They drive me nuts. Their fielders fall asleep. They should get 7 seconds from when the ball is thrown to them until it has to leave their hand, or it's a balk ... runners advance 1 base.
 
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Sassafras54 wrote :
- the really killer slowness is slooooow pitchers. They drive me nuts. Their fielders fall asleep. They should get 7 seconds from when the ball is thrown to them until it has to leave their hand, or it's a balk ... runners advance 1 base.
I agree.
The constant stepping off the mound..."confused" looks to the catcher, etc.
I can understand if there are men on base in a tight game, but more than half the time, it's done to stall the game. Bottom line is the pitcher controls the pace of the game and they should tighten up on what's allowed by them.
Some pitchers I can't even watch because they "work" soooo slow...
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