tbesq is offline tbesq Post #1  May 30,2009, 7:51pm
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Just came back from a boxing match. Although the fighters came from all over the world, I'd never heard of any of them.

My fondest memories of boxing go back to the early 80s with the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, and John Mugabe. The sport seemed to be very popular until the end of the 90s. When did interest wane with boxing, and why? Do any of you think it will ever return to glory?
 
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EugeneDammrod is offline EugeneDammrod Post #2  May 31,2009, 9:43pm
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Boxing is still hugely popular, but interest has definitely waned in the U.S. There are still a grip of great boxers fighting right now. Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Juan Manuel Vasquez, Israel Vasquez, Rafael Marquez, the list goes on and on. I think the problem is that most of the top boxers are not American and they fight in the lower weight classes, which only get a fraction of the attention the Heavyweights get, and it just so happens that the Heavyweight division is utterly dismal right now with no real light at the end of the tunnel.

Once an exciting, young, and great American heavyweight arrives at the scene America's interest in boxing will rise again. This isn't a team sport. It depends on the popularity of it's superstars.
 
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outlaw1 is offline outlaw1 Post #3  May 31,2009, 11:01pm

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Just came back from a boxing match. Although the fighters came from all over the world, I'd never heard of any of them.

My fondest memories of boxing go back to the early 80s with the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, and John Mugabe. The sport seemed to be very popular until the end of the 90s. When did interest wane with boxing, and why? Do any of you think it will ever return to glory?

Those were the days. Larry Holmes, former sparring partner for Muhammed Ali, I saw him while driving thru his hometown Philipsburg, Pa. A tall, large guy wearing all white sitting on a white motorcycle. I didn't know it was him (this was at a stoplight) till other motorists were saying hello and pointing to him. He waved back.

Sugar Ray Leonard (I almost wrote Sugar Ray Robinson) gold medal Olympic winner who put on quite a show in the ring. Great communicator, looks like he has one heck of a heart. Classy guy. I missed his fight with Hearns & then saw part of a re-run. Hagler, that guy was awesome. There was so many great boxers at that time.

Maybe pay per view had something to do with less people watching it? Just a hunch. I used to love to watch boxing. I watched a very small part of the NYC Golden Gloves. Then I saw an unknown (to me) match between two fellas. While I still love boxing, I also watch UFC mixed martial arts. Bruce Lee was the father of that sport. Boxing, wrestling, Ju Jitsu and other martial arts put together.

Anyhoo Gene has a good answer as to what happened.
I can still see Leonard, dancing with those shoes he wore. Shooting out combos, uppercuts, ducking, bobbing and weaving his way into his next attack. He didn't look tough but proved himself.
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Outlaw and Eugene, very good insight. I agree with you.

The Philadelphia area used to be the mecca of boxing back in the day. I used to go watch Joe Frazier train his son Marvis...then I saw Marvis get annihilated by Larry Holmes, lol. Holmes, for all you novices, is (or was?) based out of Easton, PA, the home of Lafayette College. I recall that his swimming pool is in the shape of a boxing glove. As an undergrad student I used to play basketball with Bernard Hopkins, one of the sport's most flamboyant stars.

When I lived in Tampa, I found out that Ferdie Pachenko, the "Fight Doctor," grew up in Tampa in the Ybor City area (back when Tampa was the cigar capital of the US). And a friend of mine from grad school was a fight promoter in the Tampa area. One of his best fighters was Edner "Cherry Bomb" Cherry, who had a few fights televised on Showtime.

Having gone to boxing matches again, my interest in boxing is rekindled. Maybe not enough to follow the sport like I do football and basketball, but I'm anxious to see who will make boxing relevant in the U.S. again.
 
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Outlaw and Eugene, very good insight. I agree with you.

The Philadelphia area used to be the mecca of boxing back in the day. I used to go watch Joe Frazier train his son Marvis...then I saw Marvis get annihilated by Larry Holmes, lol. Holmes, for all you novices, is (or was?) based out of Easton, PA, the home of Lafayette College. I recall that his swimming pool is in the shape of a boxing glove. As an undergrad student I used to play basketball with Bernard Hopkins, one of the sport's most flamboyant stars.

When I lived in Tampa, I found out that Ferdie Pachenko, the "Fight Doctor," grew up in Tampa in the Ybor City area (back when Tampa was the cigar capital of the US). And a friend of mine from grad school was a fight promoter in the Tampa area. One of his best fighters was Edner "Cherry Bomb" Cherry, who had a few fights televised on Showtime.

Having gone to boxing matches again, my interest in boxing is rekindled. Maybe not enough to follow the sport like I do football and basketball, but I'm anxious to see who will make boxing relevant in the U.S. again.

Joe Frazier, wow that's cool you saw him training. I don't think he ever got the recognition he deserved. I believe Frazier said that Ali had made him the bad guy in the fight in Africa. Zaire? So Frazier's talent was shadowed by Ali's publicity machine.

Whatever happened to his son? I saw some news blips about him fighting. I've been out of boxing for quite awhile now. Marvis against Larry Holmes? Ouch I'd say Marvis would of been too young against Larry.

Easton, maybe that was it. I had finished a summer job in the Philly area and was driving home. So what was basketball with Bernard Hopkins like? For some reason I remember the name (Hopkins) but not much else about him. Larry Holmes swimming pool shaped like a boxing glove? Sweet.

I was more of an Ali fan. Whatever happened to your buddy who was a fight promoter? Does he still do it? Did he like it? I remembering going to a few amatuer boxing matches. Very different than just watching it on TV. Check out the movie "Fat City." It's an old one about boxers.

I thought the actor portraying Sugar Ray Robinson in the Jake Lamotta film "Raging Bull" (DeNiro) was fantastic. Allegedy Ali had studied Sugar Ray Robinson and I think Jack Johnson. It's been awhile so I might be wrong.

Who do you think would of won in a Mike Tyson vs. George Foreman fight? Both at their peaks.
 
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Joe Frazier, wow that's cool you saw him training. I don't think he ever got the recognition he deserved. I believe Frazier said that Ali had made him the bad guy in the fight in Africa. Zaire? So Frazier's talent was shadowed by Ali's publicity machine.

Whatever happened to his son? I saw some news blips about him fighting. I've been out of boxing for quite awhile now. Marvis against Larry Holmes? Ouch I'd say Marvis would of been too young against Larry.

Easton, maybe that was it. I had finished a summer job in the Philly area and was driving home. So what was basketball with Bernard Hopkins like? For some reason I remember the name (Hopkins) but not much else about him. Larry Holmes swimming pool shaped like a boxing glove? Sweet.

I was more of an Ali fan. Whatever happened to your buddy who was a fight promoter? Does he still do it? Did he like it? I remembering going to a few amatuer boxing matches. Very different than just watching it on TV. Check out the movie "Fat City." It's an old one about boxers.

I thought the actor portraying Sugar Ray Robinson in the Jake Lamotta film "Raging Bull" (DeNiro) was fantastic. Allegedy Ali had studied Sugar Ray Robinson and I think Jack Johnson. It's been awhile so I might be wrong.

Who do you think would of won in a Mike Tyson vs. George Foreman fight? Both at their peaks.
Marvis Frazier quit boxing in the early to mid 90s and is now a minister. I remember that Holmes-Frazier fight, I saw it when I was in NYC. It was so bad that Holmes was begging the ref to stop the fight while he was pummeling Frazier. The ref wouldn't respond, and then Holmes would deliver another combo while Frazier was bouncing off the ropes. You're right, Marvis only had 9 or 10 fights under his belt at the time, he shouldn't have been in the ring that day.

Bernard Hopkins as a fighter is great. Hopkins as a baller? LOL, let's just say that if his skills were as good as his trash-talking he could have made the NBA. Although I'd play with and against him a few times, I didn't know who he was at first. Just that every time he'd show up he'd have some people with him (I presume now to be bodyguards and/or trainers).

My friend from school still promotes fights part-time; his company is called Starfight Productions, located in Tampa. I think I recall watching "Fat City."

At their peaks, I think Tyson would have gotten the best of Foreman. It may not have been a TKO, but I think Tyson in his heyday just had too much speed and just enough power to be effective.
 
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tbesq wrote :
Just came back from a boxing match. Although the fighters came from all over the world, I'd never heard of any of them.

My fondest memories of boxing go back to the early 80s with the likes of Sugar Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, Thomas Hearns, Marvin Hagler, and John Mugabe. The sport seemed to be very popular until the end of the 90s. When did interest wane with boxing, and why? Do any of you think it will ever return to glory?
Actually, I had noticed the exact same thing, although I am not interested much with boxing! I remember in the early-mid '80's, we were always hearing about Jeff Fenech on the tv and radio - memorably one sticks out where he boxed with a broken hand or wrist. Then my memory is blank for years WRT boxing, until Anthony Mundine came on the scene. Tyson always makes the news here too - but I couldn't name any other American boxers.

Do you think it may be due to the more regularity of other sports? Football, cricket, soccer & tennis are all big hits here - also motor sports. I follow NRL (football - we have three types of footy), and NRL has something like six matches played each weekend for close to six months, plus the Country V City matches, State of Origin games and the pre-season matches too! So many opportunities to go to a sporting event you really like!
 
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Meri, those are all valid possibilities. I tend to agree with Outlaw though, I think boxing lost a sizable audience when it left network TV and went to pay-per-view. Terry Atlas, one of the figureheads of the sport, spoke a while back on this very subject, and he agrees with you -- boxing needs to be marketed on all media, new and old -- with a serious viral campaign the way most sports are these days.
 
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Tyson vs. Foreman. I agree, Foreman in his prime looks too slow. I like Rocky Marciano but I think he would be too slow and outboxed against modern boxers.

That plus the great guys he fought were past their prime-Jersey Joe Walcot, Izzard? Joe Louis and I'm missing someone who was 44 when his 2nd fight with Marciano happened.

I think it's a shame what happened to Tyson with his marriage to Robin Givens? I would have liked to see Tyson more successful.

I never saw his documentary. Maybe he can help out some kids-be a role model or something. He got some bad breaks as a kid.

In my hometown was this old white man I'd see. I was a kid. He was a nice guy but punch drunk. Turned out he had been a fighter. One policeman told me one night the guy got drunk and disorderly. He said the guy had a head like a rock. They broke a nightstick over his head.
 
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