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As a former addict I have very, very strong opinions on this subject which I am struggling mightily to hold back. Suffice it to say that the 12 step movement is, in my opinion, a horrific example of religious indoctrination of people who are in dire emotional and psychological jeopardy. The success rate for AA/NA is roughly 5% according to their own internal research, while the success rate for those quiting without the help of the recovery group movement varies between 40%-70%.

And it is not 'largely religious based'... it is flat out a religious institution, in my experience very like a cult in it's practices and behaviors.
That is your experience with that particular group. I had a neighbor who would disagree. He was in no way religious. He went to AA for 20 years before he moved away and I can only assume he is still attending. He took from it more of a "don't drink" aspect, not the religious overtone I know is instilled.

It's too bad you took such a dim perspective on my post. My point was that of those people who get through it, a majority stick with the religious aspects of the program.

I also find those same people to be the more zealous of the religious zealots you will find out there. I once went to a church service where a large group of recovering addicts were attending. It was... scary.
 
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In fact that is my experience with the entire 12 step recovery movement, the Big Book, the Basic Text, the Twelve and Twelve, book study meetings, discussion meetings, closed and open topical meetings, and the leadership council.

I understand what you meant with your post... my point is that addicts/alcoholics who come to 12 step meetings are told vociferously and repeatedly that they will die without a higher power. They are rewarded with feelings of warmth and fellowship for any tiny step in the direction of religious belief, and told they are unwilling, sick, and in denial if they resist those beliefs. These are the practices of a cult.

Every meeting begins with the statement that 'This is a spiritual program, not a religious one. We are not affiliated with any denomination of any church." Yet the poster on the wall has the words God and Higher Power repeated over and over and over. You are told that you are powerless, insane, born broken, diseased, full of selfishness, and that you have character defects that can only be removed by God.

These are horrible things to tell anyone, especially someone who has been beaten into submission by chemical dependancy.
 
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Belief is a choice. That's why we have born-again Christians. They didn't believe and then they did. The human mind is slippery, and our current society encourages that. We can believe in elves. Commercials would help.
 
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