notyet is offline notyet Post #1  January 16,2012, 1:37pm
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Wonderwoman402 wrote :
... I would submit that Jesus is not God. But that's a whole 'nother debate.
here is that debate!

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...perhaps there is a god. how would we know this and who might it be? can we know?
if there is a god, who is he?
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notyet wrote :
if there is a god, who is he?

Great topic!

But why limit it to "who is he?" Why not "she" or "it?"

Personally, I believe in a god who is more of a "holy spirit." A force of love and goodness around us.

I do not believe in a "Tebow" god, who grants personal favors or cares who wins or loses a sports game. I don't necessarily believe in a creator, but believe that the holy exists within/among creation.
 
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Wonderwoman402 wrote :
...why limit it to "who is he?" Why not "she" or "it?"
excellent point- and good answer.

so who or what is god? and can we know with certainty?
 
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Wonderwoman402 wrote :
...Personally, I believe in a god who is more of a "holy spirit." A force of love and goodness around us.

I do not believe in a "Tebow" god, who grants personal favors or cares who wins or loses a sports game. I don't necessarily believe in a creator, but believe that the holy exists within/among creation.
why do you believe this?
 
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notyet wrote :
why do you believe this?
Well, does anyone SERIOUSLY believe God, if God exists, would care who wins or loses a sporting event? What does that say to the losing team... that God hates them? If one believes in God, I think it is actually insulting to God to pray to him/her/it for things like this.

Why would God, if God exists, answer some people's personal prayers, and not others? Is it a popularity contest, and if you get enough people in a prayer chain he'll listen? Or is it kind of like Linus' belief in the Great Pumpkin, and if you really, truly believe sincerely enough He'll show up? And if you don't, He abandons you yet again? I don't believe this.

The biblical version of the creation of the earth is fantasy... there is no basis in anything we know about our natural world to support it.

However, based on personal experience, I do believe the peaceful feeling that can fill your soul when contemplating a beautiful waterfall, or watching a colorful sunset, is a holy, spiritual feeling.

I believe in, at most, one god, not three. A unitarian type of view, not trinitarian.
 
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notyet wrote :
excellent point- and good answer.

so who or what is god? and can we know with certainty?
God is subjective and up for personal review.

God is peoples strength when they are feeling weak. God is a hope when things feel overwhelming. God is understanding when people are feeling misunderstood. God is there at the end, when it seems people have nothing to look forward to.

No, no one can understand or know God beyond their own personal needs, for more times than not, he (she/it) is nothing more than what any one person needs at that time.

Perhaps that is the genius behind creating him (her/it).
 
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Wonderwoman402 wrote :
Well, does anyone SERIOUSLY believe God, if God exists, would care who wins or loses a sporting event? What does that say to the losing team... that God hates them? If one believes in God, I think it is actually insulting to God to pray to him/her/it for things like this.
while i do believe in a personal god who is interested in us to fine detail- no, i do not believe that he (and i use that pronoun consciously) is taking sides in sporting events. i see egoism and self-righteousness in believing that god helps one triumph over another in a sporting event.

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Why would God, if God exists, answer some people's personal prayers, and not others? Is it a popularity contest, and if you get enough people in a prayer chain he'll listen? Or is it kind of like Linus' belief in the Great Pumpkin, and if you really, truly believe sincerely enough He'll show up? And if you don't, He abandons you yet again? I don't believe this.
this is insightful reflection and worthy of further discussion and may require its own thread. how/why does god answer prayer?

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The biblical version of the creation of the earth is fantasy... there is no basis in anything we know about our natural world to support it.

However, based on personal experience, I do believe the peaceful feeling that can fill your soul when contemplating a beautiful waterfall, or watching a colorful sunset, is a holy, spiritual feeling.

I believe in, at most, one god, not three. A unitarian type of view, not trinitarian.
thank you for expounding further on what you believe.
 
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Angelkrista wrote :
God is subjective and up for personal review.
but if god exists, wouldn't that "god" be the ultimate non-subjective entity? i am trying to differentiate between a concept and an object. what is real is not subjective- it is objective. i am sitting in bed leaning on a pillow. these things can be defined. in different ways- yes. but they are objects. so, while the concept of "god" may be subjective- the reality if we can determine he/she/it exists, would not be.

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God is peoples strength when they are feeling weak. God is a hope when things feel overwhelming. God is understanding when people are feeling misunderstood. God is there at the end, when it seems people have nothing to look forward to.
true, many find comfort in the concept of god.

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No, no one can understand or know God beyond their own personal needs...
unless god is an object that can be defined.
 
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notyet wrote :
but if god exists, wouldn't that "god" be the ultimate non-subjective entity? i am trying to differentiate between a concept and an object. what is real is not subjective- it is objective. i am sitting in bed leaning on a pillow. these things can be defined. in different ways- yes. but they are objects. so, while the concept of "god" may be subjective- the reality if we can determine he/she/it exists, would not be.
Well, certainly! Can you prove God, or show her/him/it to me? If not, then it is only subjective. If we can't or don't know the reality then we only have our subjective perceptions. And none of us know the reality.




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unless god is an object that can be defined.
If he/she/it is an object then he/she/it can be defined. By all means, please feel free...
 
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I can see proof that God exists all around me. In the complexity of the world He created. Because of this complexity, I have always had a hard time believing things evolved. This is proof to me. I'm also amazed at the prophecies in the Bible and how many statements about Christ that were predicted hundreds of years prior to his birth happened just as it was written. The odds of every prophecy being fulfilled are astronomical. I can also see proof in the changed lives of people who have accepted Christ. Hardened criminals, murderers, strung out druggies who make a complete 180 and commit the rest of their lives to God. This happens all the time. I can also see proof in the fact that the concept of God has been around since the man began - it is not a phase that will die out in a generation and it will be a belief until the last human draws a breath. People have died for their belief in God, from the Roman times until today. Can you think of any other belief system that a human would lay down their life for and that has stood the test of time? Perhaps these arguments are not proof for all people, but it is definetely a belief that should elicit respect and acknowledgement.
 
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