notyet is offline notyet Post #1  December 19,2011, 2:28pm
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i see only two options:

either there is a god.

or there is no god.

philosophically, i don't really see any other viable options.

do you?
 
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Wonderwoman402 is offline Wonderwoman402 Post #2  December 19,2011, 7:45pm
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I think it depends on how you define "god."
 
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suzyque is offline suzyque Post #3  December 19,2011, 7:50pm
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WW is right. God can be different to different people. God to a Hindu is different than God to a Christian or Jew. There are even those who believe God is within us (I'm thinking Scientology). However, in regards to the original question, there either is a God who created the earth and an environment hospitable to the created man, or there isn't.
 
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notyet wrote :
i see only two options:

either there is a god.

or there is no god.

philosophically, i don't really see any other viable options.

do you?
well if you want to come to the conclusion that there *is* a god you have to then decide "which one" so its never as easy as is there one or isnt there one.

unless youre specifically referring to deism, but most people arent when they ask this question. theyre referring to a specific theology.
 
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notyet is offline notyet Post #5  December 20,2011, 7:58am
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i define "God" as a supreme, sovereign being to whom i am accountable. if a claimed deity is not sovereign in every way and if i am not accountable to it in some fashion, then i guess it would not really matter if it was a god or not. it is an entity out there that may or may not place demands on me. but if it does not have the power to enforce those demands, what does it matter?

if the deity is not sovereign, then i am not accountable to it. and if i am not accountable to it- if it cannot demand anything from me, then it effectively does not exist for me.
 
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As far as accountability goes...we have a Hindu in our office who is so accountable to his god, he won't even touch anything that has eggs in it (much less meat) for fear he will be eating a reincarnated being. Never mind we Christians have tried telling him eggs in cartons are unfertilized....

The Muslim in our office won't touch pork, cause it is a "dirty" meat.

Love the guys, they are great men...but makes me glad I'm a Christian and can eat anything!
 
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And yet, your beloved savior followed very similar dietary rules/restrictions as that Muslim does currently, all through his life.
(As well as him appearing A LOT more like that Muslim fellow than the idealized, Anglo-Aryan, blue-eyed blond he is generally presented as.)

I guess there were MANY concessions, after his death, to paganism (and druidism in the Anglo-Celtic areas) in order to help Christianity's acceptance and fervent spread throughout Europe, huh?
 
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A pork eating Jesus would have had no disciples at all.
 
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I think that if there is a "deity" who created everything in the universe, he's probably too busy with stuff to pause to worry about our ruminations. It's pretty darn arrogant and self-centered for us humans to think it made us in its image or that it even gives a hoot what we do or what we think about anything.

I mean this hypothetical deity is probably off in galaxy M83 partying with the Jookalapsian Pink Noigarts on fridays because those vastly more interesting and entertaining time-traveling cephalopods really know how to mix a good celestial martini.

Just sayin'.

ETA: I think the initial question is perhaps too limiting philosophically to even answer yes or no without at the very least a definition or common frame of reference for "god". But if I was a betting man, I'd bet no.
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ETA: I think the initial question is perhaps too limiting philosophically to even answer yes or no without at the very least a definition or common frame of reference for "god". But if I was a betting man, I'd bet no.
But how can a definition or common frame of reference for "god" be reached without first deciding whether or not god exists? It's hard to define something without first determining whether or not it exists. Once one comes to a conclusion about the existence of god one can then set about determining what or who god is - if the decision is made that god does, in fact, exist. If god doesn't exist, then definitions don't matter. To try to define something without first establishing its existence kind of puts the cart before the horse, doesn't it? Or am I missing something?
 
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