TheThinker is offline TheThinker Post #11  July 17,2011, 10:16am
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This isn't the question I posed and not of any particular interest--I don't care if my separated matches eventually lose $50 and I don't believe they were greatly concerned either. Any more than you or I are greatly concerned when we do drive 5-10mph over the speed limit on the highway. You do keep an eye out for cops, of course. And we may not be overjoyed when that day eventually comes.

I asked questions about the ethics of it.
well, when someone accepts the terms of a written contract, it is assumed that they read this contract...and knowing full well that they are lying...their actions by signing said contact generally become unethical(at least by those thinking and acting prudently, ie: most normal, sane, rational people..)
I don't lie...
maybe you do, or you accept that from others in your life as normal..and so it's not a big deal for ya..
howzzat?
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sawtooth is offline sawtooth Post #12  July 17,2011, 10:21am
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However, you won't be building a relationship with the software company; the software company isn't a person whose time is wasted or feelings are hurt by the lie.

Okay, I can buy that distinction. And honestly, the cops don't seem to be hurt when they write me a speeding ticket.

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Someone shouldn't be bonding in stages 1-3 .

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I'm annoyed by time wasters. I'm not annoyed by people with illnesses/disabilities - they don't have control over their status and do what they can. I sympathize with that. People with medical issues have always told me during communication stages or after a first meet - I wouldn't be thrilled by a major revelation on a third date.

Great answer. So they have an obligation to reveal it early on, but you cut them a bit more slack because you're sympathetic about them suffering from an illness or injury. It must be more than that the "can't control" bit, because women usually complain when a man lies about his height. From what I read anyway. I've always been understanding when a date reveals a medical issue on a firt date.

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Revealing it in communication isn't great, but is more acceptable than revealing it a month in. I suppose being relatively upfront about it would make it a "yellow" flag.
Fair enough. And I understand reporting it and not going on a date.
 
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sawtooth is offline sawtooth Post #13  July 17,2011, 10:42am
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well, when someone accepts the terms of a written contract, it is assumed that they read this contract...and knowing full well that they are lying...their actions by signing said contact generally become unethical(at least by those thinking and acting prudently, ie: most normal, sane, rational people..)I don't lie...
TheThinker, you just did! Sane, rational people deceive others on occasion or under the right circumstances. This could be my previous example--clicking accept when you install software that you read and agree to all the terms and conditions--or something else. I once preserved a lie that helped someone escape an oppressive regime. In my estimation, that was the only correct action. I guess I'm a thinker in that I occasionally like to engage in examination of my own actions and those of potential life partners. We all fall short of perfection, so these are questions of degrees. After luna's answer I'm much more confident in how I will proceed.
 
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TheThinker, you just did! Sane, rational people deceive others on occasion or under the right circumstances. This could be my previous example--clicking accept when you install software that you read and agree to all the terms and conditions--or something else. I once preserved a lie that helped someone escape an oppressive regime. In my estimation, that was the only correct action. I guess I'm a thinker in that I occasionally like to engage in examination of my own actions and those of potential life partners. We all fall short of perfection, so these are questions of degrees. After luna's answer I'm much more confident in how I will proceed.
You're taking delight in putting words into a blender and mixing them to get the right formula for your argument...
Read my response again..
what I said...was that most people who are sane and rational understand that lying is unethical..
I did not say that people don't lie..

Now, I suppose you can keep choosing to mix my words, or, present them fairly in the manner in which I posted them...
In reality, I'm not surprised that you are choosing to do the former based upon your collections of posts, here.

At the end of the day....it's about choices...
I choose not to lie.

You?..you can do your own thing.
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Hi All,

This "discussion" is becoming more and more personalized. So this topic doesn't get derailed, further comments need to be focused solely on the topic and not on other posters.

If you feel someone's argument isn't sound, by all means discuss that. It is not necessary or appropriate to make comments about whether the other member is a liar or not.

There may be times when you and another member are unable to communicate effectively or will simpy have differing opinions. When that's the case, it may be best to respectfully agree to disagree and go on to other more fruitful discussions.

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