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Diana_P is offline Diana_P Post #1  July 10,2011, 7:06pm
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Is there a hole inside us that only God can fill? Do non-believers also experience this longing but stuff the hole with material things?

Does God have a hole inside Him that only humans can fill? Why would a sovereign being need or want love from something so imperfect, sinful, and so far beneath His righteouness?

Is this hole in our psyche evidence that we are “designed” to seek God? Doesn’t creating us with a hole or need to seek God invalidate our supposed free will to choose to seek him of our own volition?

All good questions: let’s discuss!
 
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Oy, Diana, your questions are so deep! I guess I can only speak for myself. Yes, I had a hole that only God could fill. It took me years to figure out how to do that though. I was trying to figure out how to connect with a God who seemed so distant and make Him a personal God.

I do think everyone has this hole but pride gets in the way. Perhaps they think it is weak to rely on God's strength and goodness. They would rather "go it alone".
Perhaps others are not ready to make the commitment that a life reliant on God entails. It does call for giving up certain attitudes and living a life that is pleasing to Him. This is not always pleasant or easy.

I think God does have a hole in his heart for us too. We are on His mind constantly. He loves us in spite of our weaknesses and is accepting of our human fraility. I guess it is similar to how a parent loves a child.

No I don't think this hole contradicts our free will. Just because it is placed there we still have a choice to ignore it or fill it with other things.

Eager to read other people's comments!
 
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suzyque wrote :
Oy, Diana, your questions are so deep! I guess I can only speak for myself. Yes, I had a hole that only God could fill. It took me years to figure out how to do that though. I was trying to figure out how to connect with a God who seemed so distant and make Him a personal God.

I do think everyone has this hole but pride gets in the way. Perhaps they think it is weak to rely on God's strength and goodness. They would rather "go it alone".
Perhaps others are not ready to make the commitment that a life reliant on God entails. It does call for giving up certain attitudes and living a life that is pleasing to Him. This is not always pleasant or easy.

I think God does have a hole in his heart for us too. We are on His mind constantly. He loves us in spite of our weaknesses and is accepting of our human fraility. I guess it is similar to how a parent loves a child.

No I don't think this hole contradicts our free will. Just because it is placed there we still have a choice to ignore it or fill it with other things.

Eager to read other people's comments!
Great post Suzyque. I'm looking forward to more replies too.
 
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We may suggest this is a psychological 'problem'.

When the baby is 'ejected' from the womb, the pain and panic leave a memory filled with such trauma that many humans never get over it.

The resulting engram sits like a 'time bomb' at the mercy of every stimulation that 'echoes' the first EJECTION.

Its now called Re-ejection.

There is a longing to be back in the womb and the emptiness is the loss of the unity with the mother.

Of course this may also 'echo' the Ejection from the Garden.

The FEAR of rejection MAY be the root cause of most of man's problems.
 
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hermes01 wrote :
We may suggest this is a psychological 'problem'.

When the baby is 'ejected' from the womb, the pain and panic leave a memory filled with such trauma that many humans never get over it.

The resulting engram sits like a 'time bomb' at the mercy of every stimulation that 'echoes' the first EJECTION.

Its now called Re-ejection.

There is a longing to be back in the womb and the emptiness is the loss of the unity with the mother.

Of course this may also 'echo' the Ejection from the Garden.

The FEAR of rejection MAY be the root cause of most of man's problems.
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If it is interesting................allow it to REST IN...but dont walk away......REST WITHIN....the 'seed' will grow......and FLOW-WER
 
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Diana_P wrote :
Do non-believers also experience this longing but stuff the hole with material things?
I don't feel any hole in my soul, and I'm certainly not a materialist.

When I have felt lonely or empty (alone or with company), the solution was self-improvement. Be a better person. Enjoy your own company. Seek out what make you happy and fulfilled.
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I don't feel any hole in my soul, and I'm certainly not a materialist.

When I have felt lonely or empty (alone or with company), the solution was self-improvement. Be a better person. Enjoy your own company. Seek out what make you happy and fulfilled.
Word.

Atheists feel the existential anxiety just like every human. We simply look inside ourselves and our fellow humans to find the answers. Self-actualization, self-analysis, and self-fulfillment.

Objects don't make people happy, people make people happy. The things you own end up owning you.
 
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hermes01 wrote :
We may suggest this is a psychological 'problem'.

When the baby is 'ejected' from the womb, the pain and panic leave a memory filled with such trauma that many humans never get over it.

The resulting engram sits like a 'time bomb' at the mercy of every stimulation that 'echoes' the first EJECTION.

Its now called Re-ejection.

There is a longing to be back in the womb and the emptiness is the loss of the unity with the mother.

Of course this may also 'echo' the Ejection from the Garden.

The FEAR of rejection MAY be the root cause of most of man's problems.
The belief that infants retain memories of the birth process has been resoundingly disproved by neurologists, pediatricians, and by both cognitive and developmental psychologists.
 
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hermes01 is offline hermes01 Post #10  August 9,2011, 12:44am
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Resoundly proved...we are all ruled by 'engrams' (memories) that have been 'pushed into the vast unconscious and they affect our every day lives.

Soldiers who suffered trauma in wars............may suffer from nightmares for the rest if their lives.
 
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