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Reverse_Dragon is offline Reverse_Dragon Post #11  August 9,2011, 6:39am
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Resoundly proved...we are all ruled by 'engrams' (memories) that have been 'pushed into the vast unconscious and they affect our every day lives.

Soldiers who suffered trauma in wars............may suffer from nightmares for the rest if their lives.
Yes, and soldiers have fully developed brains. An infant's brain and sensory apparatus are not fully functional, and the forming of engrams is not yet possible. That is why babies are born with an instinctual bond with the mother that is reinforced by physical contact and breast feeding.

There is a direct correlation between the cognitive abilities of a given species and the amount of development they must undergo after being born.

Take the example of a calf, which is born with essentially all of the knowledge and instinct it will ever have. Newborn calves are up walking and grazing with the rest of the herd within minutes of being born.

Contrast that with a newborn human, who doesn't even develop object permanence until several months after birth. The brain of a newborn is simply unequipped to transform sensory impressions into long term memories.
 
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No.

Let me elaborate. (And a big thank you to Reverse Dragon for handling all the pseudoscience for me. ;P)

The argument you make in your questions has a very loose logical construction. I feel this way, therefore everyone else must feel this way. The thing is... we don't.

There is nothing missing from my life, and I don't need anything to replace it. All of your questions are built on the faulty assumptions that 1) A god exists 2) spirituality is a necessary component in everyones' life, and 3) Atheists are unfulfilled.

The problem is, I need only pin down one question to send the stack tumbling. No, there is no god, therefore we are not designed, therefore no hole, therefore no need to fill it.

Before you get to thinking that I'm dodging your questions because they are difficult or I'm bigoted, well they're not, and I'm not. There is no need for me to delve into philosophic meanderings when every question is based on a faulty assumption. If I preceded every question I asked with, "Well we all know the earth is balanced on the back of a great tortoise..." and then proceed with complete nuttery masked as deep philosophic questions about said tortoise, you'd dismiss it out of hand. Unfortunately since the majority of the population holds this nuttery as fact, I must oblige.
 
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Reverse_Dragon wrote :
Yes, and soldiers have fully developed brains. An infant's brain and sensory apparatus are not fully functional, and the forming of engrams is not yet possible. That is why babies are born with an instinctual bond with the mother that is reinforced by physical contact and breast feeding.

There is a direct correlation between the cognitive abilities of a given species and the amount of development they must undergo after being born.

Take the example of a calf, which is born with essentially all of the knowledge and instinct it will ever have. Newborn calves are up walking and grazing with the rest of the herd within minutes of being born.

Contrast that with a newborn human, who doesn't even develop object permanence until several months after birth. The brain of a newborn is simply unequipped to transform sensory impressions into long term memories.

I have come across 'birthing engrams' a number of times.

I lady I was working with was born in a very hot country yet could never sleep for as long as she could remember, with her toes uncovered.

Also when she become nervous at times she felt as if someone was strangling her. To me this was a 'birthing engram'. A memory whilst being born that was charged with trauma and fear.

Her mother was still alive and so could be asked about her birth.

It transpired that as a baby, she came out if the womb feet first. Her mother told her that as she was being pulled out the cord was wrapped aroung her neck and she was suffocating.

Not long after this discovery, she was able to sleep without a sheet covering her feet and she no long felt a constriction around her neck ...when nervous.

Memories ARE charged with feelings and the memories of our birth can affect us for the rest of our lives.

Please feel free to once more disagree with me.....
 
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hermes01 wrote :
I have come across 'birthing engrams' a number of times.

I lady I was working with was born in a very hot country yet could never sleep for as long as she could remember, with her toes uncovered.

Also when she become nervous at times she felt as if someone was strangling her. To me this was a 'birthing engram'. A memory whilst being born that was charged with trauma and fear.

Her mother was still alive and so could be asked about her birth.

It transpired that as a baby, she came out if the womb feet first. Her mother told her that as she was being pulled out the cord was wrapped aroung her neck and she was suffocating.

Not long after this discovery, she was able to sleep without a sheet covering her feet and she no long felt a constriction around her neck ...when nervous.

Memories ARE charged with feelings and the memories of our birth can affect us for the rest of our lives.

Please feel free to once more disagree with me.....
There is little point in arguing with someone without the ability to engage in rational thought.

And if you knew anything about science you would know that anecdotal evidence is not evidence at all.
 
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Reverse_Dragon wrote :
Word.

Atheists feel the existential anxiety just like every human. We simply look inside ourselves and our fellow humans to find the answers. Self-actualization, self-analysis, and self-fulfillment.

Objects don't make people happy, people make people happy. The things you own end up owning you.
From a scientific standpoint how can one rely on self-analysis to answer any question about your own psyche or your relationship to the universe since there would be no objectivity? Without all the psychobabble; what makes the answers you get from yourself any better than the ones you get from other people?
 
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From a scientific standpoint how can one rely on self-analysis to answer any question about your own psyche or your relationship to the universe since there would be no objectivity? Without all the psychobabble; what makes the answers you get from yourself any better than the ones you get from other people?
Excellent question Diana,

In a word: nothing. In general, the answers we get from others are the key to understanding the self. It is by taking these insights and applying them to our own inner and outer lives that we grow as people.

While it can be very difficult to take an unbiased view of the self, it is through trying that we achieve self-knowledge. It's not about the answers... it's about the questions. No... it's about the questionING.

Just as in science, it's about challenging assumptions, even the most basic ones; the ones that make us who we are. Few people, if any, ever get a truly objective view of themselves. We are all perpetrators of, and victims of vanity, selfishness, and self-delusion.

But with each attempt we become a little bit better, a little bit closer to the true potential in all of us. The more we allow ourselves to accept our true selves, warts and all, the better people we become.

At the risk of sounding cliche: "Life is a journey, not a destination."
 
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