What is the difference between Atheists and Non-believers?


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Diana_P is offline Diana_P Post #1  June 30,2011, 3:51pm
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What is the difference between Atheists and Non-believers?

Has someone ever told you that we are all born atheists? Do you agree or disagree?

I was taught that whether a person is exposed to the Word of God or not she knows that God exists because God’s Word is written in our hearts. God is in the morning sun. God is in a flower. Proof of God’s existence is everywhere. So a Christian will tell you that we are all born believers but become atheists when we ignore what our hearts are trying to tell us. Do you think this is true?

Psalm 14:1
“The fool says in his heart, There is no God.”

It may seem like we are arguing semantics, but I think there is a difference between atheists and non-believers. Although it may appear that they both choose to ignore God’s word one has knowledge of God and the other does not. Or at least that is how I see it.

What say you?
 
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Aww he'll I guess I am a fool.

Religion is the way to explain the unexplainable.

Atheists..and surveys have shown this..are the most knowledgeable abou religions.
 
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ami1uwant wrote :
Aww he'll I guess I am a fool.

Religion is the way to explain the unexplainable.

Atheists..and surveys have shown this..are the most knowledgeable abou religions.
Thanks for your reply.

In general that is probably very true and really doesn’t surprise me.

So I'm curious, does the fact that atheists-in-progress have a need to dissect religion contribute to why they eventually become full blown atheists? Seriously, acceptance, not skepticism, is the crux of faith. Is the need to “understand” getting in the way of their ability to believe?

I want to believe AND understand and I think that is what God wants to. Christians do you agree or disagree.
 
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Diana_P wrote :
Thanks for your reply.

In general that is probably very true and really doesn’t surprise me.

So I'm curious, does the fact that atheists-in-progress have a need to dissect religion contribute to why they eventually become full blown atheists? Seriously, acceptance, not skepticism, is the crux of faith. Is the need to “understand” getting in the way of their ability to believe?

I want to believe AND understand and I think that is what God wants to. Christians do you agree or disagree.
Atheists not believing is something they acquire from learning and questioning it. Mostly atheists are scientists whose views are in direct conflict with religion.

There are others who believe in evolution but still believe in a universe god.

Then there are some who object toorgsnized religion because of the system.



I realized my religious views when I first learned world history in 8th grade where we learn of large countries like Japan, china, and India, to name a few and as part of it we learned about the religions there.

From that I came to realize that religions are a way to explain the unexplainable and theybatebused as a form of crowd ountrol and fear tactics.
 
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Also I don't like atheists term because it means anti religion. While for me I will respect others views and do believe that people have the right to their beliefs...just not imposing it on others
 
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ami1uwant wrote :
Also I don't like atheists term because it means anti religion. While for me I will respect others views and do believe that people have the right to their beliefs...just not imposing it on others
Like you I find other people’s religions and belief systems fascinating. I admit I need to work on the “not imposing my beliefs on other’s” part, ha ha, but I do enjoy discussing and learning.

I often wonder if I had been born in the East, was taught Eastern philosophy and never learned about Christianity would I still purport that the evidence of God is everywhere and is written in our hearts. That’s what I mean when I say that truth is a localized phenomenon. Ultimately, in the end you and you alone are responsible for what you believe and the fate of your soul if you believe you have one. So, equipping yourself with as much information as possible, discussing, and researching before completely dismissing anything does appear to be prudent.
 
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Again....it comes down the the QUESTION............


WHAT IS GOD?
 
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hermes01 wrote :
Again....it comes down the the QUESTION............


WHAT IS GOD?


What is God?

Dictionary definition: God is ultimate reality. God is Supreme ruler over all creation; infinite mind.

How do you define God, hermes01?

This is an interesting question because logically if God is our creator then there is no way any of us can provide an accurate definition. We can know what God calls Himself if He chooses to reveal that to us. But, we can’t know what God really is because He made us and not vice versa. I’m not sure this is what your question implies, but the only way WE can KNOW what God is definitively is if mankind created God. Is that what you are asking or implying?
 
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Diana_P wrote :
What is the difference between Atheists and Non-believers?


What say you?
Atheist lack of orthodoxy has made it nearly impossible to know how to respond to this question since except for their chauvinism in their own infallible and certain opinions about there being no God this is about the only thing any of them ever shared in common together as a general group. But ironically now the atheists seem to be evolving atheism into a "religion of non-belief" to make them selves more uniform and orthodox - a true non-believer if you will. They are in fact taking on the trappings of religion and are to the point now where they are actively trying to evangelize and proselytize people into their [un]belief system of thinking (or to take the plunge into the baptismal font and the hubris of absolute certainty of unbelief if you will).

Semantically I would say that the term "unbelievers" differs since it must include the transient state of agnostics who are often still "searching" but not yet militantly committed to declaring themselves a dyed in the wool atheist. As such there can be seen modesty and lack of conviction (or perhaps simple sloth at play to get them out of their EZ chairs to actively seek answers) in the term "unbelievers" who are more like Doubting Thomas's than they are like the stone walls of Jericho that attempt to stand up (but fell) against the whole idea of God.

But lacking a formal orthodoxy I doubt if more than the zealous subscribers to the ad-hoc tenants of Atheism and "unbelief" would split hairs over any differences. Why should believers?
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AZJoe wrote :
Atheist lack of orthodoxy has made it nearly impossible to know how to respond to this question since except for their chauvinism in their own infallible and certain opinions about there being no God this is about the only thing any of them ever shared in common together as a general group. But ironically now the atheists seem to be evolving atheism into a "religion of non-belief" to make them selves more uniform and orthodox - a true non-believer if you will. They are in fact taking on the trappings of religion and are to the point now where they are actively trying to evangelize and proselytize people into their [un]belief system of thinking (or to take the plunge into the baptismal font and the hubris of absolute certainty of unbelief if you will).

Semantically I would say that the term "unbelievers" differs since it must include the transient state of agnostics who are often still "searching" but not yet militantly committed to declaring themselves a dyed in the wool atheist. As such there can be seen modesty and lack of conviction (or perhaps simple sloth at play to get them out of their EZ chairs to actively seek answers) in the term "unbelievers" who are more like Doubting Thomas's than they are like the stone walls of Jericho that attempt to stand up (but fell) against the whole idea of God.

But lacking a formal orthodoxy I doubt if more than the zealous subscribers to the ad-hoc tenants of Atheism and "unbelief" would split hairs over any differences. Why should believers?
That was amazing! Thanks!

I agree for the most part it is splitting hairs, but I still think it makes a difference as it pertains to whether we are born atheists or non-believers.

Some people are never introduced to Christianity. I was taught that Salvation, not Works, is what gets you into Heaven. Now I don’t want to start a side discussion about that right now, I’m just bringing it up because I need it to make a point, okay? So if you are in the Salvation camp that means that anyone who doesn’t hear the Gospel and have the opportunity for Salvation goes to Hell. Anyone! No matter if you’ve never sinned yourself because you inherited Adam’s original sin from his blood.

So that means both the atheists who knows of God’s offering of Salvation and deliberately reputes it as well as the non-believer who has never been given the opportunity for Salvation goes to Hell. I don’t really see how that is fair. Now, you may not have been taught that, but that’s what I’ve heard my whole life.
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