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Diana_P is offline Diana_P Post #1  June 28,2011, 8:25pm
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What does it mean to be created in the image of God?

Is it our capacity to love, create, or forgive? Is it our form, face, hands, arms, and legs?

Let me share some of my thoughts with you and see if they stir some ideas.

How do you go from not existing to existing? I’m not speaking of the miracle of turning inanimate matter into living tissue. I’m talking about turning living tissue into a self aware sentient being. How is that possible? At what point in your development do your sensory perceptions coalesce into consciousness? How do you as an individual “know” that you exist?

For me, two words define what it means to be created in the image of God, “I Am.”

Please ponder this question deeply then share your best answer.

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What does it mean to be created in the image of God?

Is it our capacity to love, create, or forgive? Is it our form, face, hands, arms, and legs?

Let me share some of my thoughts with you and see if they stir some ideas.

How do you go from not existing to existing? I’m not speaking of the miracle of turning inanimate matter into living tissue. I’m talking about turning living tissue into a self aware sentient being. How is that possible? At what point in your development do your sensory perceptions coalesce into consciousness? How do you as an individual “know” that you exist?

For me, two words define what it means to be created in the image of God, “I Am.”

Please ponder this question deeply then share your best answer.

Thanks.
God is spirit (Jn 4:24). It is argued that when it talks about being made in God's image, it refers to our spirit, minds, and capacity to reason. When God said "I AM WHAT I AM" to Moses, He was saying that He exists without conditions, that is to say that He does not exist as the effect of a cause or, rather, that there is nothing that first set in to motion His existence; this is part of what the old, Christian philosophers were speaking of when they attributed to God the definition of "necessary Being."

As for knowing we exist, I pose this to you:

How do you know that you are not the product of my imagination?

All of your thoughts, memories - distant and recent, desires, and whatnot are the products of my imagination. How do you respond? How do you disprove this?
 
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As for knowing we exist, I pose this to you:

How do you know that you are not the product of my imagination?

All of your thoughts, memories - distant and recent, desires, and whatnot are the products of my imagination. How do you respond? How do you disprove this?


I watched a movie recently called Inception that I really enjoyed. The basic premise of the movie is that it is impossible to plant an idea into someone else’s mind without them knowing that it didn’t originate there. If I truly was the product of your imagination I would not be compelled to resist the notion or to prove you wrong.

In a way this topic kind of relates to the discussion of God and original sin. If everything that exists is a product of God’s mind, imagination, creation, etc., why would anything ever manifest that would be compelled to resist Him?

If a thing truly is your creation, that is to say, the thing could not come into existence or manifest into reality independently of you then its “free will” is still a direct function of yours. It could not select a reality other than the one you present it with. I certainly would not choose to exist in a reality where Adam and Eve succumbed to temptation and ate the forbidden fruit. I would much rather have been born into the Paradise that they once enjoyed. However, none of us children of Adam were given that option. Mankind’s fate was more or less sealed the instant God decided to put the tree in the Garden or reveal that it was there.

I’m not saying that Adam and Eve didn’t have a choice. Their choice was to eat the fruit or not to eat the fruit. However, they didn’t possess sufficient imagination to create a third option. They could have asked God to move the tree. They could have asked God to move them. They could have just left wherever they were at and traveled far enough away so that it was impossible for them to transgress God’s wishes concerning this one troublesome tree! Just because we may not be aware that there are alternative realities it doesn’t necessarily mean that they don’t exist. Nor does it diminish their value. I don’t believe it was God’s intention for them to create a third option or explore alternative realities. And that is most unfortunate for all of us who suffered throughout time for an original sin committed eons ago by one man and one woman.
 
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I watched a movie recently called Inception that I really enjoyed. The basic premise of the movie is that it is impossible to plant an idea into someone else’s mind without them knowing that it didn’t originate there. If I truly was the product of your imagination I would not be compelled to resist the notion or to prove you wrong.

In a way this topic kind of relates to the discussion of God and original sin. If everything that exists is a product of God’s mind, imagination, creation, etc., why would anything ever manifest that would be compelled to resist Him?
Resistance does not mean that you are not the product of my imagination. Frankly, I like the conflict. This is why I imagined you in the first place. Inception is an interesting movie. I had fun imagining the storyline.
 
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The word 'IMAGE' suggests some-thing we can see. Its up to the individual to decide if 'their' God.....is Infinite.

If God IS infinite then it is not an image that is seen with the human eye.

The 'see-d' of the poppy flower carries all the characteristics of the 'parent' seed. The image that we recognise, the smell, the colours etc.

The soul is the 'seed' of THE PARENT....'our Father' who is in the STATE OF HEAVEN. But He is formless. So what is within the seed / soul that is within all of us and IS ...essentially US?

The word that comes to mind is ......'LOVE'.....but NOT the love that we human beings know.

All 'things ' are within God. Itself 'NOTHING'. Therefore ALL things are within the SOUL..and WE ARE THAT SOUL. We carry in our soul (US) the 'Image' of INFINITE Love.

The soul/seed travels through time till it reaches its 'flowering' moment. The flower is the 'realisation' of 'The Meaning of Life'

God being aware of Himself in the Eternal Moment.
 
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The word 'IMAGE' suggests some-thing we can see. Its up to the individual to decide if 'their' God.....is Infinite.

If God IS infinite then it is not an image that is seen with the human eye.

The 'see-d' of the poppy flower carries all the characteristics of the 'parent' seed. The image that we recognise, the smell, the colours etc.

The soul is the 'seed' of THE PARENT....'our Father' who is in the STATE OF HEAVEN. But He is formless. So what is within the seed / soul that is within all of us and IS ...essentially US?

The word that comes to mind is ......'LOVE'.....but NOT the love that we human beings know.

All 'things ' are within God. Itself 'NOTHING'. Therefore ALL things are within the SOUL..and WE ARE THAT SOUL. We carry in our soul (US) the 'Image' of INFINITE Love.

The soul/seed travels through time till it reaches its 'flowering' moment. The flower is the 'realisation' of 'The Meaning of Life'

God being aware of Himself in the Eternal Moment.
This is really deep. I'm not sure I follow all of it, but it is almost poetic.

Based on your posts, you may be the only person here who understands what I'm about to say. See, I think sometimes the breakdown in communication is that we aren't all at the same level in our Spiritual journey. I'm not saying that some people are stupid or slow. What I'm trying to say is that they aren't at a place in their journey where the message you are giving is going to have any real meaning. Does that make sense? Do you agree or disagree?

I'm not saying that you shouldn't share! I think as long as someone is open we have an obligation to share because whether they understand or not you are opening a door in their minds.

What say you?
 
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Resistance does not mean that you are not the product of my imagination. Frankly, I like the conflict. This is why I imagined you in the first place. Inception is an interesting movie. I had fun imagining the storyline.
Ha ha!

I loved the movie, but had a really hard time imagining that what Leonardo was doing is called acting! LOL! I feel so bad for the poor guy. It has got to hurt when EVERY ONE of your supporting actors and actresses outshine you by light years! How embarrassing! Well at least he has his looks, right?

Okay, that was mean. I have to blame his inability to sell his part on his muse or rather the lack of presence of his muse Kate. He really shouldn’t try to star in any movie without her, LOL!
 
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I am not a competent gardener but I do enjoy the 'LIFE' of the garden.

I planted some sunflower seeds and now some months later some of the plants are nearly 2 meters tall.

Is that not amazing? Such a small seed...such a tall growth and in the 'flowering' ....100's of MORE seeds?

Each flowering takes place at different times but each is to be appreciated in their 'TIME'

(ALL die and become soil) (Everlasting LIFE)

The soul...... the seed of God.......SEE-D...The awareness of God 'DAMNED' in the time process, grows in TIME.

WE...the soul are at different levels of awareness ...HOWEVER eternally...all have 'returned' to the Source. (God 'sees' Himself in the ONE eternal moment)

Since all souls are at different stages of understanding so we human beings as 'wombs' of the soul are at different stages of development.

The soul will get 'caught up' in all the various aspects of humanity...religions etc....eventually the FLOW/WAY of the living soul will 'flower' in man and the image 'seen'

Do we have a choice as to how 'quickly' we wish to return to the Father?
 
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What does it mean to be created in the image of God?
The Jews pondered this very question for a long time. Much of the Old Testament is caught up in answering it's extent and implications. I have hastily drawn from different texts of the apostolic church to give you some insights - chiefly from Evangelium Vitae - an encyclical by the late Pope John Paul II.


The phrase "let us create man in our image" is a privileged glimpse that God gives us into the inner dialog of The Trinity (Father Creator ,Son and Holy Spirit). It is a first hint of the full revelation to come of "The Trinity" later fully revealed by Jesus and written in the New Testament Books. With the phrase "In the Image of God" is implied: a life eternal/immortal, with no corruption - a full and perfect existence worthy of all the dignity and honor due a member of God's family including intimate friendship, perfect love (to the capacity of the endowed finite human nature), beatitude, favor and blessings. "In the biblical narrative, the difference between man and other creatures is shown above all by the fact that only the creation of man is presented as the result of a special decision on the part of God, a deliberation to establish a particular and specific bond with the Creator... The life which God offers to man is a gift by which God shares something of himself with his creature.' (from Evangelium vitae Pope John Paul II).

The Old Testament Book of Sirach too recognizes that God, in creating human beings, "endowed them with strength like his own, and made them in his own image" (17:3). The biblical author sees as part of this image not only man's dominion over the world but also those spiritual faculties which are distinctively human, such as reason, discernment between good and evil, and free will: "He filled them with knowledge and understanding, and showed them good and evil" (Sir 17:7). The ability to attain truth and freedom are human prerogatives inasmuch as man is created in the image of his Creator, God who is true and just (cf. Dt 32:4). Man alone, among all visible creatures, is "capable of knowing and loving his Creator".24 The life which God bestows upon man is much more than mere existence in time. It is a drive towards fullness of life; it is the seed of an existence which transcends the very limits of time: "For God created man for incorruption, and made him in the image of his own eternity" (Wis 2:23).

We are made literally 'for God' and this is why we will always be restless and unsatisfied with anything here on earth until we are reunited with God and brought back into full beatitude. We are incomplete without an intimate relationship with God. Note that only the appearance of "the woman", a being who is flesh of his [Adam's] flesh and bone of his bones (cf. Gen 2:23), and in whom the spirit of God the Creator is also alive, can satisfy the need for interpersonal dialogue, so vital for human existence. In the other, whether man or woman, there is a reflection of God himself, the definitive goal and fulfillment of every person - why most are drawn to seek a mate and companion to dialog with until repatriated to God.

Created in God's image also carries with it an original mark of royalty and dominion over the world and its creatures and even over the life we are each given. The human race was intended for ruling in accord with God's Plan. God proclaims that he is absolute Lord of the life of man, who is formed in his image and likeness (cf. Gen 1:26-28). Human life is thus given a sacred and inviolable character, which reflects the inviolability of the Creator himself. Precisely for this reason God will severely judge every violation of the commandment "You shall not kill", the commandment which is at the basis of all life together in society.

Christ, God incarnate, was sent to restore the fallen nature of man and reinvigorate the divine image - in fact partnering with humankind and forming a new redeemed race through the new Adam and the new Eve (Mary). Those "in Christ" are spiritually reborn into a newly restored and super-elevated divine-human image - of much higher estate than even originally possessed by Adam. "God with us" (Emanuel) literally.
 
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The Jews pondered this very question for a long time. Much of the Old Testament is caught up in answering it's extent and implications. I have hastily drawn from different texts of the apostolic church to give you some insights - chiefly from Evangelium Vitae - an encyclical by the late Pope John Paul II.


The phrase "let us create man in our image" is a privileged glimpse that God gives us into the inner dialog of The Trinity (Father Creator ,Son and Holy Spirit). It is a first hint of the full revelation to come of "The Trinity" later fully revealed by Jesus and written in the New Testament Books. With the phrase "In the Image of God" is implied: a life eternal/immortal, with no corruption - a full and perfect existence worthy of all the dignity and honor due a member of God's family including intimate friendship, perfect love (to the capacity of the endowed finite human nature), beatitude, favor and blessings. "In the biblical narrative, the difference between man and other creatures is shown above all by the fact that only the creation of man is presented as the result of a special decision on the part of God, a deliberation to establish a particular and specific bond with the Creator... The life which God offers to man is a gift by which God shares something of himself with his creature.' (from Evangelium vitae Pope John Paul II).

The Old Testament Book of Sirach too recognizes that God, in creating human beings, "endowed them with strength like his own, and made them in his own image" (17:3). The biblical author sees as part of this image not only man's dominion over the world but also those spiritual faculties which are distinctively human, such as reason, discernment between good and evil, and free will: "He filled them with knowledge and understanding, and showed them good and evil" (Sir 17:7). The ability to attain truth and freedom are human prerogatives inasmuch as man is created in the image of his Creator, God who is true and just (cf. Dt 32:4). Man alone, among all visible creatures, is "capable of knowing and loving his Creator".24 The life which God bestows upon man is much more than mere existence in time. It is a drive towards fullness of life; it is the seed of an existence which transcends the very limits of time: "For God created man for incorruption, and made him in the image of his own eternity" (Wis 2:23).

We are made literally 'for God' and this is why we will always be restless and unsatisfied with anything here on earth until we are reunited with God and brought back into full beatitude. We are incomplete without an intimate relationship with God. Note that only the appearance of "the woman", a being who is flesh of his [Adam's] flesh and bone of his bones (cf. Gen 2:23), and in whom the spirit of God the Creator is also alive, can satisfy the need for interpersonal dialogue, so vital for human existence. In the other, whether man or woman, there is a reflection of God himself, the definitive goal and fulfillment of every person - why most are drawn to seek a mate and companion to dialog with until repatriated to God.

Created in God's image also carries with it an original mark of royalty and dominion over the world and its creatures and even over the life we are each given. The human race was intended for ruling in accord with God's Plan. God proclaims that he is absolute Lord of the life of man, who is formed in his image and likeness (cf. Gen 1:26-28). Human life is thus given a sacred and inviolable character, which reflects the inviolability of the Creator himself. Precisely for this reason God will severely judge every violation of the commandment "You shall not kill", the commandment which is at the basis of all life together in society.

Christ, God incarnate, was sent to restore the fallen nature of man and reinvigorate the divine image - in fact partnering with humankind and forming a new redeemed race through the new Adam and the new Eve (Mary). Those "in Christ" are spiritually reborn into a newly restored and super-elevated divine-human image - of much higher estate than even originally possessed by Adam. "God with us" (Emanuel) literally.
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