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by definition, God is supposed to be all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent, omnipresent and any other "omni" word you can think of. for this to be true, nothing can happen that is not his will.
by whose definition ? how did you arrive at these conclusions on which you base the previous one ?
please do explain.
 
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how can you tell what good is without evil?
The better question is "how can one discern evil?" "Evil" assumes that there is "good" and that good is discernible, that is to say: if evil, then good.
 
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The better question is "how can one discern evil?" "Evil" assumes that there is "good" and that good is discernible, that is to say: if evil, then good.
Good and evil are axiomatic. As such, they just are; there is no proof nor are there any dependencies for them to exist. Discerning what is good and what is evil is an innate ability of humans. Axiomatic and innate. It is how things are.
 
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eha_answer_man wrote :
by whose definition ? how did you arrive at these conclusions on which you base the previous one ?
please do explain.
isn't that the universally accepted definition of God? all powerful, all knowing, all loving and omni*******??

i haven't yet defined "God". i don't think you can define the unknowable.
 
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llw11 wrote :

isn't that the universally accepted definition of God? all powerful, all knowing, all loving and omni*******??
no, it isn't. it is a definition held by some. far from universal. what is your definition and perception of God and how did you arrive at such is what i am asking.

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i haven't yet defined "God". i don't think you can define the unknowable.
since you admit you have no definition of God how it is you ask if the preceding is a universal definition of God ? are you now saying God is unknowable and therefore undefinable ?

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eha_answer_man wrote :
Good and evil are axiomatic. As such, they just are; there is no proof nor are there any dependencies for them to exist. Discerning what is good and what is evil is an innate ability of humans. Axiomatic and innate. It is how things are.
There is a foundation for what is good - think "Augustine" when he questioned in his Confessions how good was first perceived as good if it had not existed beforehand, that is, existed in the Creator. Without a foundation from which to draw a standard of what is good, good itself, just as evil, becomes nonsense and irrelevant. Sometimes, I think Nietzsche was the only one who truly accepted the moral consequences of atheism.
 
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eha_answer_man wrote :
no, it isn't. it is a definition held by some. far from universal. what is your definition and perception of God and how did you arrive at such is what i am asking.
what else are you expecting? ALL POWERFUL, ALL KNOWING, ALL LOVING, OMNI***** SUPERNATURAL BEING. this is a definition of god held by many. i'm using this one for the purpose of the thread. i've stated it before.

for MY opinion, i still say any god is unknowable. at the end of the day you can't know what god is. just because you think a god should be xyz doesn't make it so, if one does exist.
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for MY opinion, i still say any god is unknowable. at the end of the day you can't know what god is. just because you think a god should be xyz doesn't make it so, if one does exist.
how have you concluded any god is unknowable ?
 
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How does man ..............'know'?
 
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llw11 wrote :
for MY opinion, i still say any god is unknowable. at the end of the day you can't know what god is. just because you think a god should be xyz doesn't make it so, if one does exist.
This is generally true, but if said unknowable God reveals Himself, then He ceases to be unknowable.
 
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