Wonderwoman402 is offline Wonderwoman402 Post #11  March 14,2011, 6:24pm
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Do not confuse varying translations of the Bible with the bible has been re-written many times throughout history.

It has not been "rewritten." It has been translated, and re-translated, many times in multiple languages through out history. It is probably the single most translated book in history and demonstrably has the most textual evidence of any literary work for its integrity.
The "translations" can vary widely in meaning. Take the commandment "Thou shalt not kill." In the original Hebrew, it was "Thou shalt not commit murder." There is quite the difference legally and morally between "killing" and "committing murder." One can kill in self defense or in war without it being murder. Yet many take their translation of the commandment to mean they cannot fight in war. In that case, they have "rewritten" it to suit their needs.

The bible has been translated/recast to suit the leader's goals at the time. It may be the most translated book of all time, but it loses "integrity" every time it is translated. Translation requires interpretation of words that may not exist in the language it is being translated to, and the meanings get changed. I believe the word "rewritten" fits in such case.
 
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rix is offline rix Post #12  March 17,2011, 12:48pm
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I just came across a new translation of the bible that has shaken my world view. I don't know what its called but i can honestly say that i'm no longer an atheist after having read it.
Awesome Andrew! What was it that prompted the ultimate change of heart and transformation? Was it the passage in Revelation from your "version," or perhaps the passage from Psalm 14:1?

Anyways, I'm looking forward to hearing more of your testimony, since you are no longer numbered among the scoffers. I am taking you at your sense of "honesty" and integrity, and holding you to it. After all, a man is only as good as his word!

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Awesome Andrew! What was it that prompted the ultimate change of heart and transformation? Was it the passage in Revelation from your "version," or perhaps the passage from Psalm 14:1?

Anyways, I'm looking forward to hearing more of your testimony, since you are no longer numbered among the scoffers. I am taking you at your sense of "honesty" and integrity, and holding you to it. After all, a man is only as good as his word!

Blessings,

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After reading through the new commandments and prophecies on p649 i could no longer be an atheist. These powerful scriptures convicted my heart, and opened up my eyes. After reading just 1 verse, I instantly converted to agnosticism. Hallelujah!

Revelation 10:1 (New Agnostic Standard Bible)
1 I speaketh to thee of an enlightened age coming forth when all the world will bear witness to the rise of moving images and sound shared over a vast intangible interweaving web.
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After reading through the new commandments and prophecies on p649 i could no longer be an atheist. These powerful scriptures convicted my heart, and opened up my eyes. After reading just 1 verse, I instantly converted to agnosticism. Hallelujah!

Revelation 10:1 (New Agnostic Standard Bible)
1 I speaketh to thee of an enlightened age coming forth when all the world will bear witness to the rise of moving images and sound shared over a vast intangible interweaving web.

Everyone dies, but not everyone really lives!

And while many do not have much respect for "fence sitters," I will say agnosticism is a much more logically defensible position (at this point, certain atheists will lauch into a diatribe about the "agnosticism" concerning Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and "flying spaghetti monsters." Hardly comparable to the question of whether or not an intelligence far greater than ours is responsible for the universe).

Wasn't that the same Youtube clip? You really do need get some new material pal!

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What version of the Bible do you read ... and why?

Personally, I use the NASB mostly. That's because I love the poetry of it and the literal-ness (is that a word? ). I started with the Living Bible, eventually moved to NIV, and now here I am How 'bout you?
I read from KJV, NKJV, NIV, Amp, NASB, and the ESV predominately; this is mainly due to studies, though.
 
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That would be "other" as in the Holy Spirit.
good answer, I read Holman Christian Standaard, I like it because it is moderan gramer and reads smothly, I have found that if you expect to hear God's voice in the Bible you are reading you well.
 
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Interesting question, as the bible has been re-written many times throughout history. People seem to think they're talking about the same thing when they say "The Bible," yet one version may vary widely in its meaning from another.

Personally, I would believe the Jefferson Bible as being most accurate as to what really happened from an historical aspect.

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are you saying that translating of the Bible is held to a lower srantard then translating of Cleopatra's love letters? If your statment is true then why are the Dead Sea Scrols word for word the same as what we have to day? Sodom and Gamora have been found, we knw where Moses crossed the Red Sea, that part knowen as The Gulf of Accab.
So far as the veration in versons did you ever hear of synonyms? Did you know that the Greek have three words for love and we only have one? the word for saved in the Greek could be one of three words in Souix? Mark Twane is reported to have said "It is not the parts of the Bible that I don't understand that bothers me it is the parts that I do."
I fail to see what is so vage in "Unless you repent you will all like wise parish"
 
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are you saying that translating of the Bible is held to a lower srantard then translating of Cleopatra's love letters?
I said no such thing. Re-read what I did say. Translating, especially when in many cases the language being translated into does not have words that mean the exact same thing, will lose integrity.

Did you not read my example of the original commandment in Hebrew meaning "Thou shalt not murder," yet being commonly translated into "Thou shalt not kill?" Killing and murdering are not the same, either ethically, morally, or legally. This can extend into all sorts of religious arguments, from fighting in war, to abortion, to stem cell research, to end-of-life decisions, and to the death penalty. Different denominations, all following the Bible, can come up with their own "rules" just from the nuances of that one translation.

That is just ONE example of translation resulting in different meanings. Extrapolate that to the entire book and you can come away with vastly different outlooks of what being "christian" means.
 
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I like a few different ones.

For practical daily reading I like the New American Bible - it has so many convenience cross references of related passages in the NT and OT.

Douay-Rheims is quite good and is written in a beautiful voice and style. It was translated from the original Latin Vulgate - the world's first bible written by St. Jerome as commissioned by Pope Damascus in 382 AD (and where all other bibles get their New Testament Table of Contents and pedigree from).

Revised Standard Version (RSV) - Catholic Edition is also very good.

I want to get the newer Ignatius Bible (RSV), 2nd Edition though. It's a contemporary English translation without dumbing-down the text and which doesn't put the biblical text through a filter to make it acceptable to current tastes and prejudices. It retains the beauty of the original RSV language as well.

I reference the King James and various other translations when speaking and dialoging with those who are only familiar with these texts though for their convenience.

I note that Many people never knew or forget that the original Bible came first from passed down oral tradition. The original accounts recorded were mostly all spoken in ARAMAIC -- then much later written down. All the original apostles and disciples thought Jesus' return was imminent in their own lifetimes. There was no need or initial hurry to write anything down - it was all done by spoken word and authoritative teaching. It was not until 20-60 years after the resurrection as the disciples were being martyred that they realized that Christ's return was not imminent.. So they started to write things down and collected from each others verbal accounts (St. Paul being most prolific he did write a lot of his own letters after he personally spoke to his audience to follow up). A lot of what we have today (Mark & Luke etc.) came mostly from eye witness accounts collected from the various next generation disciples and followers and not directly from the original 11 apostles. There were also a lot of very popular works retained by the Church as important but not included in the bible as purely inspired (e.g. Shepherd of Hermes and the Didache)

The truth is, ALL the original transcripts are lost to us - given the savagery of the persecution by the Romans its not surprising though. What we have today as our codexes are copies of the originals written in Greek - which is NOT the original language spoken in (for the most part). So I want to remind some here that we are starting right in the very fist bible off with "translations" and some semantic and language differences. Some concepts simply do not literally translate crisply in modern day languages without notes or by injecting words that convey the same principal but which don't appear in the original texts.

Hermeneutically, one has to know some history and facts and be instructed in the basics when reading the bible to get the proper meanings. Words in the Greek such as "brother" were often Aramaic idioms that did not mean blood brother or even gender as there was no word for "cousin" in the original Aramaic voice (which accounts for why Mary did not have 70 children or so [as some would read] and only one child ). The early Christian scribes did the best they could in authentically penning the accounts in Greek. It is important when reading the bible to have an apostolic teaching framework (as handed down to us for 2,000 years) to know what was well understood by all the early disciples. The bible was never intended to be read outside of the handed down sacred teaching traditions or the Church Community any more so than the Jews permit the Old Testament to be self interpreted by the laity (in fact punishable by stoning) .

We know that the handed down apostolic teaching framework is authentic because the Early Church Fathers have written volumes of works in the early centuries that independent of the bible translations duplicate through dialog and teaching comments virtually every verse we have today in the NT. They show us explicitly was was well understood and believed by all the early church Christians.
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