meri75 is offline meri75 Post #1  November 20,2010, 10:15pm
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Recently, I was reading some literature by a Scientist who is a Christian who believes the Genesis account of creation. I was interested to read that he believes that creation should be debated upon scientific evidence relating to origins, and that theology should be excluded.

I thought this was a rather interesting concept. I think it makes sense too, there are other fields of scientific study which are not debated with theology, to the degree in which creation is debated.

So, when it comes to creation - if you were part of such a debate, excluding theology - and the evidence presented supported the theory in opposition to your belief; would this alter your belief?
 
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No. Even doubt would not alter my belief.

I think there are things that cannot be explained. There are things I will never know. I believe there are things I am not meant to know...

I am an imperfect human being, and I cannot know...God.

Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.
Psalms 139:6

So these things I do not know...will never know...cannot know...I don't worry about them; they do not shake my faith, nor alter my belief.

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Well Meri, assuming I read you correctly, I'd personally say this scientist is moving on interesting ground. Perhaps ambiguous, ambivalent, or both. I personally know by experience that when faith is strong enough, there is probably no amount of evidence to convince others to give it up, even if it is visual.

I have never been a strong creationist myself. If I have any hearkening to it, I would be part of the community that accepts the 7 days as referring to a much longer period of time. In such a debate, its unlikely you could dis-clude theology entirely, but for me yes, evidence and science are to me at least a good complement to faith and can alter faith for myself at least. For myself, I take bits from many faiths and parts of science.
 
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I agree that creation and science should both be debated on a scientific basis. Unfortunately many atheists (IMHO) hide behind Darwinism to justify their beliefs . The Institute for Creation Research (ICR) has many great articles that leave faith out of the picture to expose the hidden agenda of many “noted” members of academia. I like the one listed here http://www.icr.org/article/5781/ but there are many others.

I do have a faith and it doesn’t require these proofs but I am gratified that God did put these proofs in the record so all can see His majesty.

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http://www.icr.org/article/earths-magnetic-age-achilles-heel-evolution/
 
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Meri, I'm curious what this author's name was? For me, dovetailing science and theology is fascinating.
 
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I wonder if other societies have this problem of 'creation verses Evolution'? All societies have their 'creation' myths.

Did dinosaurs live amongst human beings? They seem quite big...to say the least. Would not human beings have written about these monsters.....on the earth...in the water and flying in the air?

Does it matter who is right? As long as children are not taught myths as facts. When they grow up they can choose.
 
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j0hn8andy wrote :
No. Even doubt would not alter my belief.

I think there are things that cannot be explained. There are things I will never know. I believe there are things I am not meant to know...

I am an imperfect human being, and I cannot know...God.

Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.
Psalms 139:6

So these things I do not know...will never know...cannot know...I don't worry about them; they do not shake my faith, nor alter my belief.

j8a
I saw your tag question!

My core belief - God created the earth and everything in it - would not change.

But that is a faith-based answer and not a Scientific-based answer!
 
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DaLocman wrote :
Well Meri, assuming I read you correctly, I'd personally say this scientist is moving on interesting ground. Perhaps ambiguous, ambivalent, or both. I personally know by experience that when faith is strong enough, there is probably no amount of evidence to convince others to give it up, even if it is visual.

I have never been a strong creationist myself. If I have any hearkening to it, I would be part of the community that accepts the 7 days as referring to a much longer period of time. In such a debate, its unlikely you could dis-clude theology entirely, but for me yes, evidence and science are to me at least a good complement to faith and can alter faith for myself at least. For myself, I take bits from many faiths and parts of science.
I think what I found the most interesting about this one, is that he was willing to participate in a Creation versus Evolution debate, without theology. I wondered about this and read on and he says that he isn't a theologian, so therefore he should not discuss theology; only the science.
 
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Pilgrim007 wrote :
I agree that creation and science should both be debated on a scientific basis. Unfortunately many atheists (IMHO) hide behind Darwinism to justify their beliefs . The Institute for Creation Research (ICR) has many great articles that leave faith out of the picture to expose the hidden agenda of many “noted” members of academia. I like the one listed here http://www.icr.org/article/5781/ but there are many others.

I do have a faith and it doesn’t require these proofs but I am gratified that God did put these proofs in the record so all can see His majesty.

YFR

http://www.icr.org/article/earths-ma...eel-evolution/
Thanks for these links. I had not heard of this site before and will have a good look through it later this week. I read the Creation Science magazines, the content of which I find utterly fascinating.
 
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chawks64 wrote :
Meri, I'm curious what this author's name was? For me, dovetailing science and theology is fascinating.
I'll PM you the link where I read about him. His name is Dr Walter Brown. I'd never heard of him before stumbling across the site.
 
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