mattluen is offline mattluen Post #1  October 28,2010, 11:57pm
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Hello all. I'm a catholic male, and am looking for a catholic female. Early in my membership I was communicating with a member who was very much catholic. She literally followed everything the bible said to do to the T. She didn't believe in masturbation, sex before marriage, etc. I can understand the sex before marriage thing, as I used to be that way until the high school football guys i played with told all their stories and had me so convinced that it was amazing I just had to try it. So my question is, have any of you encountered this kind of person or are you personally that way, that you follow everything the bible says without question? Just curious as to how the other catholics out there follow the bible's teachings!
 
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chimerical is offline chimerical Post #2  October 29,2010, 1:43am
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As a former Catholic, I find this post to be very interesting. Catholicism usually lends itself to a less fundamental view of Scripture. Catholicism actually teaches (or at least, has taught, for a long time) that the common layperson should not try to interpret Scripture on his or her own, but should leave the interpretation up to the priest. (So Catholics are usually less strict in following Scripture.)

Furthermore, Catholics (or at least, most of the Catholics I was raised around) tend to accept and follow the pattern of 1) sin, 2) feel guilty, 3) be absolved of your sins, and 4) move on. Catholicism kind of makes sinning easier than other religions, because it acknowledges that everyone sins, and has a system for "fixing" that for you (forgiveness). (Catholics are pretty famous for this, but especially stage 2--Catholic guilt!)

Also, to be accepted as a Catholic, there are truthfully very few things that you need to agree with the Pope on. You need to agree with transubstantiation, you need to agree that God is a Holy Trinity comprised of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit... There are a few other things--just the things the Pope has declared himself "infallible" on (which isn't everything). So you don't have to agree with the views on masturbation, sex before marriage, abortion, gay sex, etc. etc. A Catholic wouldn't get kicked out of the Church for any of that stuff. It's not considered part of the "core identity."

Anyway, Catholics who are born and raised in the Church tend to be less aware of the real teachings of the Church. Those who come to it later (going through the Rite of Catholic Initiation for Adults) usually have a better grasp on it. A Catholic familiar with the traditions of his or her faith probably won't spend much time reading the Bible, that's just how it is. Catholics are (generally) not fundamentalists.


(If you're curious as to my experience with the Church: My grandmother and mother were raised Catholic, and I was baptized Catholic, but my family drifted away from the Church around the time I would've been confirmed, so when I later wished to join the Church, I had to go through the year-long Rite of Catholic Initiation for Adults, taking classes about the Seven Sacraments, and the saints, and the traditions/history, etc. etc. My mom, already Catholic, took the classes with me and says there was a lot she didn't know beforehand--even though she'd gone to a Catholic school growing up!)
 
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Oh, to more directly address the OP: I never took a literal or fundamentalist approach to the Bible. Like I said, that's not usually a Catholic "thing."

(Ironically, I'm now an atheist, so all that work becoming Catholic turned out to be a waste! It was all very interesting nonetheless...)
 
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I'd have to say I've had a little bit of a different experience than you. Most of the catholics I know have at least followed the no sex before marriage, or they at least gave it a valiant effort and made it to college before giving in. That was the first girl I'd EVER talked to who followed EVERYTHING that was said in the bible, and followed it to a T. I can understand the no sex before marriage thing, I've talked to lots of catholic girls who are that way, and that's totally fine with me, i respect that. But the no masturbation thing, whether you do it yourself or someone else does it to you, is totally beyond me and I've never heard of it before and just wanted to see if anyone else had or followed the churches teachings that closely.
 
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I an not a Catholic but am a Christian adn would like to know waht following the Bible to a T is. I won't argue Sex before Marriage. But masterbation? I don't find that in the Bible. But someone masterbating you? That sounds over the line to me and I bet to others as well. What about dringking and smoking. Smoking is not mentioned in the Bible either and drinking may be encouraged. Did she not drink or smoke adn are those things you'd say must be folled to the T?
 
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I knew it was in there, but I'd never met anyone who actually followed it. I don't know if she drank or smoked, but my guess would be probably neither unless she was of legal age. I don't think it needs to be followed. What the bible says were ancient teachings that I don't think you have to fully follow, but some people choose to and that's her choice.
 
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mattluen wrote :
I knew it was in there
You knew what was in there and where? Which teachings?
 
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rix is offline rix Post #8  October 30,2010, 11:59pm
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Also, to be accepted as a Catholic, there are truthfully very few things that you need to agree with the Pope on. You need to agree with transubstantiation, you need to agree that God is a Holy Trinity comprised of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit... There are a few other things--just the things the Pope has declared himself "infallible" on (which isn't everything). So you don't have to agree with the views on masturbation, sex before marriage, abortion, gay sex, etc. etc. A Catholic wouldn't get kicked out of the Church for any of that stuff. It's not considered part of the "core identity."
Granted, the Roman Catholic Church will generally not excommunicate someone from the church for "moral transgressions." However, the Church does make a distinction between "venial" and "mortal" sins. Venial sins are minor infractions, such as uttering an expletive or drinking a little too much sacramental wine, and a person may have to spend an extra day or two in Purgatory for such minor offenses. However, mortal sins, such as sex outside of marriage, are those particular sins that put a person in danger of losing their salvation completely: Go straight to Hell! Do not pass Go! Do not collect two hundred dollars .

And you're right, it is quite unusual for the aforementioned person to take such a fundamentalist approach to the scriptures, since Catholics and Protestants are divided on the issue of the Bible. For Protestants, the Bible is the only and final authority. However, for Catholics, Church tradition is equal to the scriptures, and the final authority rests in the Church councils and decrees. Therefore, many Catholics will tend to quote what Father John said at Mass, or even the Church councils, rather than the Gospel of John.

Also, it is important to note that "Protestants" are defined as those who reject the authority of the Bishop of Rome, or Pope ( in other words, "protest" against the Pope's authority). However, to be Catholic, is to acknowledge and accept the Pope's "infallible" authority on all matters of morality and Church teaching: A person who is truly "Catholic" is not entitled to pick and choose which teachings to accept, and which to reject, like so many modern day "Cafeteria Catholics" do. Therefore, according to the Church, they may actually be considered "anathema," even though they are sitting in the pews and participating in Mass ( in that case, they may even be "drinking the cup of judgment" according to the Church).

Another main difference between Catholics and Protestants is the means of "justification." Protestants believe a person is justified by faith. However, the Roman Catholic Church teaches and believes that the means of justification is baptism. Therefore, you better not do any "mortal sinning" after you've been baptized. It was for this reason that Constantine, the first "Christian" emperor, was finally baptized on his deathbed. After all, it's good to have all that fornicatin' out of the way before you are baptized.
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I an not a Catholic but am a Christian adn would like to know waht following the Bible to a T is. I won't argue Sex before Marriage. But masterbation? I don't find that in the Bible. But someone masterbating you? That sounds over the line to me and I bet to others as well. What about dringking and smoking. Smoking is not mentioned in the Bible either and drinking may be encouraged. Did she not drink or smoke adn are those things you'd say must be folled to the T?
You're absolutely right! The Bible is completely silent on the subject of masturbation. Therefore, the Catholic Church has put the "sin of masturbation" under the subheading of Onanism. However, the problem is, Onan didn't masturbate (at least not in the Biblical account that the Church bases its position upon).

Onan was getting his freak on with his brother's old lady, for the purpose of siring an offspring. And, like in a bad X-rated movie, Onan actually committed the sin of "coitus interruptus," and spilt the... ahem... "essence" that would guarantee that offspring all over the ground ( Genesis 38: 4-10). I guarantee this story has been edited from your child's Sunday School class .
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rix wrote :
...Onan was getting his freak on with his brother's old lady, for the purpose of siring an offspring. And, like in a bad X-rated movie, Onan actually committed the sin of "coitus interruptus," and spilt the... ahem... "essence" that would guarantee that offspring all over the ground ( Genesis 38: 4-10). I guarantee this story has been edited from your child's Sunday School class .
I hope if you "sire any offspring" with me that this particular Sunday School lesson will be skipped entirely. If it isn't, YOU get to tell your offspring what "coitus interruptus" means, since you are so fond of the phrase.
 
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