Gods will and sex vs abstinence for older folks


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liquid_steel is offline liquid_steel Post #71  July 17,2010, 1:55pm

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Where is God's reply? People presume so much about God's will. I've yet to hear ANY TWO people agree on their interpretations of what God's will is on the topic of sex. This much I can presume with accuracy: if everybody quit doing it, the human race would die out. The who would raise their voices to the praise of God? (smile)

Who is more keenly interested in sex, God or people? If God designed sex for parental reasons only, then would he not design the human body to flare with sexual desire ONLY during strategic moments of planned parenthood? The body, apparrently, responds sexually until buried in the grave (or suffers illness). Or is God giggling with mischief while watching his people writhe in torment trying to obey impossible commands of abstinency? Really, who is abstinence for anyway?

I suggest that abstinence is for whomever deems it a smart choice for themselves -- but NOT as a way to escape guilt or to exert righteousness over others! I choose abstinence out of personal preference -- I simply prefer to pursue that with a finance' or spouse only. I see it as a wonderful way to get to know each other more intimately as life mates (I'm in for the long haul). However, I realize that some religious people use their abstinence as a way of "one upmanship" in a competition for righteousness. Frankly, I have more respect for people who sincerely and frequently frolick between the sheets than I do religious snobs!

As a deeply religious person, I too desire to please God and do the right thing. So, I ask pointed questions about sex -- especially noticing that God designed our bodies to engage in it for a very long, long time well into our latter years...WAY ybeyond the baby-making prime time of the 20s and 30s. I also notice how some religious people are so distracted by their own abstinency (they use it to justify their rather uneventful, unchallenged life, as though it were some great contribution to the world!).

Just as sex can be misused, so can abstinency.

Sometimes, abstinency is used to demonstrate one's own "purity" when what they are really doing is being lazy -- they don't want to make the effort to get into shape, learn some skills, or make time to develop a satisfying sexual life with their mate.

Or, I've seen how some singles use abstinency as a cowardly way of ecaping the VERY difficult task of honesty -- letting go a dead-end relationship and re-entering the cold, empty world solo.

You get the idea.

We've all heard the gazzillion ways in which sex is misused, but all too little on how abstinency is abused. I would hope that God's will includes a healthy dose of sincerity whether people choose sex or abstinence. If anything, we are warned against hypocracy (sincerity providing the only effective remedy).

Any thoughts on the critical role of sincerity in one's choice of either sex or non?
 
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Scripture reads, Do not defile the marriage bed.....and if you have not "self-control".....marry. (note: this is another discussion altogether).
That's an infamous quote by Paul...I could never stomach it for the simple reason that it clearly implies to treating someone as a toy for your own sexual fulfillment. We have to also remember that Paul never met Jesus nor studied under Him...and Jesus was quite clear in stating that fornication was a no-no no matter what age you are (it is sin), young or old. Justifying sin because you're "burning with passion" even with a yearning-marriage tag attached to it (because of it), is just plain wrong and demeaning to all parties involved. So again, Paul's interpretation is flawed based on Christ's teachings.

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liquid_steel wrote :
Where is God's reply? People presume so much about God's will. I've yet to hear ANY TWO people agree on their interpretations of what God's will is on the topic of sex. This much I can presume with accuracy: if everybody quit doing it, the human race would die out. The who would raise their voices to the praise of God? (smile)

Who is more keenly interested in sex, God or people? If God designed sex for parental reasons only, then would he not design the human body to flare with sexual desire ONLY during strategic moments of planned parenthood? The body, apparrently, responds sexually until buried in the grave (or suffers illness). Or is God giggling with mischief while watching his people writhe in torment trying to obey impossible commands of abstinency? Really, who is abstinence for anyway?

I suggest that abstinence is for whomever deems it a smart choice for themselves -- but NOT as a way to escape guilt or to exert righteousness over others! I choose abstinence out of personal preference -- I simply prefer to pursue that with a finance' or spouse only. I see it as a wonderful way to get to know each other more intimately as life mates (I'm in for the long haul). However, I realize that some religious people use their abstinence as a way of "one upmanship" in a competition for righteousness. Frankly, I have more respect for people who sincerely and frequently frolick between the sheets than I do religious snobs!

As a deeply religious person, I too desire to please God and do the right thing. So, I ask pointed questions about sex -- especially noticing that God designed our bodies to engage in it for a very long, long time well into our latter years...WAY ybeyond the baby-making prime time of the 20s and 30s. I also notice how some religious people are so distracted by their own abstinency (they use it to justify their rather uneventful, unchallenged life, as though it were some great contribution to the world!).

Just as sex can be misused, so can abstinency.

Sometimes, abstinency is used to demonstrate one's own "purity" when what they are really doing is being lazy -- they don't want to make the effort to get into shape, learn some skills, or make time to develop a satisfying sexual life with their mate.

Or, I've seen how some singles use abstinency as a cowardly way of ecaping the VERY difficult task of honesty -- letting go a dead-end relationship and re-entering the cold, empty world solo.

You get the idea.

We've all heard the gazzillion ways in which sex is misused, but all too little on how abstinency is abused. I would hope that God's will includes a healthy dose of sincerity whether people choose sex or abstinence. If anything, we are warned against hypocracy (sincerity providing the only effective remedy).

Any thoughts on the critical role of sincerity in one's choice of either sex or non?
"Where is God's reply?"
As portrayed in most religions, man(kind) was created in the image / children of God. Being "of god" or "children" of god, establishes that we are all part of God (watching for blasphemy police) . The problem arises in the product of free will.

Right vs Wrong has nothing to do with marriage, a creation of man's ego.

It is my opinion that if a person has a problem distinguishing right from wrong, they have allowed society to place too much trash in their brain. Right and Wrong are not things you can learn, they are.

You only learn to make excuses for your poor decisions or weakness to make them yourself.

I propose that God gave us the ability to choose between Good and Evil, not to follow like lemmings the proclamations / interpretations of others (he says watching for lightning).

"The bible says..."
WHO's bible?
WHO's interpretation of bible?
It is my humble opinion that NO ONE should need a "Bible" to know what is Good or what is God
God is Good
What should you do?
What would God do?

Wishing you peace and happiness
I bow to you (aka I bow to God)
Namaste
 
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I don't think you're really looking for a discussion here, but for someone to validate the view you already have...
I think you just described about 97.1999219% (I've been keeping close track) of all threads / posts on here
 
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Is that a "puking" emoticon?!?!

Where do you guys find these things? And where do you store them for future use? I want a kissing one.
 
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Been very interesting reading all of the replies. I am a serious Chriistian who has been divorced and want to wait until marriage. The biblical reasons are quite apparent. However there is social science research that suggests that the happiest marriages are those where people waited. It does not work every time of course. People confuse exceptions with reality. But generally speaking waiting until marriage is connected to a happier marriage. I think there are reasons for that but I will not go into then to keep the post short. So even if I did not believe the biblical reasons for waiting the hope for a better marriage is good enough justification for me.
 
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Been very interesting reading all of the replies. I am a serious Chriistian who has been divorced and want to wait until marriage. The biblical reasons are quite apparent. However there is social science research that suggests that the happiest marriages are those where people waited. It does not work every time of course. People confuse exceptions with reality. But generally speaking waiting until marriage is connected to a happier marriage. I think there are reasons for that but I will not go into then to keep the post short. So even if I did not believe the biblical reasons for waiting the hope for a better marriage is good enough justification for me.
Well said Niceprof. I admire you greatly for your moral outlook. Sexual responsibility is something that affects everyone in society...it begins within us first. Respect and honor are the key to real success, fulfillment and true happiness.

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If we love God with all our hearts? Then we will obey what his word says..1 Cor 6:9. Fornicators will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. God never said that it would be easy!
 
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I have been on the boards for a few weeks reading and seeing what other folks have to say. It's fun to flirt and joke and the "Let's Talk About Sex" group is entertaining. I checked into this group to see what single Christians have to say in the EH forum. I promise I will try not to preach and pontificate because that would be too much typing. First, if you are a Christian, i.e. Christ follower than the Bible is the accepted "Owner's Manuel" it is God's Word of instruction to us, His children, to follow His teachings. It's pretty clear that biblical instruction is that sex is designed to be between a husband and wife within the bounds of matrimony. Why? Well I have asked that for a long time because I found that instruction difficult to follow. Like a rebellous child I wanted to do my own thing. So I did. Finally after many mistakes, much pain and consequences to my choices I decided that God gave us the "no sex" instruction to keep us from hurting ourselves. God loves us and does not want us to be hurt. Sex is very intimate sharing, i.e. the two become one. It hurts when tearing away those feelings of oneness because I choose to be intimate with a person who had no intentions of forming a relationship. That basically is the story of my 20's. Lots of hurt and damage done as I was looking for love in all the wrong places. Fast foward to the present. What has changed? I want to be obediant to God, that's one change. I choose to believe that in being obediant God will honor that obdiance. If two people love each other and are mature and loving enough to talk about sex before marriage (communication is important) then God will honor and bless that in the martial bed. So, how can waiting till after marriage make sex better? Why supernaturally of course! God created man and woman, He built all the original equipment, God is good, would He not bless the most intimate part of a marriage when a man and woman chose to honor His instructions by waiting. OK that is it...I'm done now.
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