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I read various views on the word of God, laws in the OT, vs Gospel of the NT...


Has anyone who quotes the scriptures actually read them in their entirety, or do they simple bookmark 'the good parts'?


If you haven't read it, dont quote it; a doctor who never read a medical text in his life wouldn't know how to do surgery, now would he? Even if he bookmarked all the parts he liked (or didn't like)


It is written "the old law is not without value, but the value of the new law is greater than that of the old, it encompasses the old"


Far as I know the only two real 'laws' Jesus ever gave to live by were these:


Love and treat each other with the respect you yourself want to be given by other, with the respect you would give to Jesus himself


Love and respect God, show some appreciation for the good in your life, not specifically living in a church praying 24 hours a day but hey a little gratitude would be nice.


If you were an all powerful being and could see / monitor the actions of everyone alive today, you knew that you alone were the source of their existance and everything else for that matter, all the good they have, wouldn't you want to get a 'hey God, thanks!' once in awhile? Not every second of every day but once in awhile?


What I do not recall from reading the PJV of the new testament (predating the KJV, same source essentially simply older and likely more accurate as a result) is anything that says


"Do not under any circumstance.... " (fill in the blank)


To people who question 'should I smoke, should I drink, should I have sex now or wait till I'm married' I pose the counter question, do you think you should?


Is it not also written "take all things in moderation" ?


If you want to have a beer, have a beer, just don't become an alcohalic.


If you want to have a cigarette, have a cigarette; but be able to live without them and not become a pack after pack smoker.


If you love somebody, they love you, you are not in fact married but have expressed your love for each other in a genuine way and you both agree you are ready, make love.


There are obvious differences between making love and simply having sex or f*cking somebody, and some are:


not caring what happens next when your finished (ie, leaving the premises in the fastest way possible, going home or whatever) if you have somewhere to go thats different but choosing to sleep somewhere else afterward? I think that's a clear sign you got what you're after and that's all you're after.


not being able to wait (pushing for sex in general should be a sign it's what's foremost in your mind, people with other intentions dont need to push, they are patient)


If you are in a committed relationship of any kind, one where you're both clearly there for other reasons aside from just having sex, in due time you'll realize you really love each other.


For the love of God express it!
- April 16th, 2009, 05:57 pm
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Well, you've clearly thought about and come up with a stated set of beliefs here, but I still don't quite see how that relates to the original question about the Scriptures? And what's a PJV? I'm familiar with the Wcliff Bible, which predates the KJV ( and no, it is not more accurate - nor is the KJV more accurate than modern translations), but I'm unsure what you're referring to?
- April 16th, 2009, 08:35 pm
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Teh_Good_Dr, wrote :

I read various views on the word of God, laws in the OT, vs Gospel of the NT...


Has anyone who quotes the scriptures actually read them in their entirety, or do they simple bookmark 'the good parts'?


If you haven't read it, dont quote it; a doctor who never read a medical text in his life wouldn't know how to do surgery, now would he? Even if he bookmarked all the parts he liked (or didn't like)


It is written "the old law is not without value, but the value of the new law is greater than that of the old, it encompasses the old"


Far as I know the only two real 'laws' Jesus ever gave to live by were these:


Love and treat each other with the respect you yourself want to be given by other, with the respect you would give to Jesus himself


Love and respect God, show some appreciation for the good in your life, not specifically living in a church praying 24 hours a day but hey a little gratitude would be nice.


If you were an all powerful being and could see / monitor the actions of everyone alive today, you knew that you alone were the source of their existance and everything else for that matter, all the good they have, wouldn't you want to get a 'hey God, thanks!' once in awhile? Not every second of every day but once in awhile?


What I do not recall from reading the PJV of the new testament (predating the KJV, same source essentially simply older and likely more accurate as a result) is anything that says


"Do not under any circumstance.... " (fill in the blank)


To people who question 'should I smoke, should I drink, should I have sex now or wait till I'm married' I pose the counter question, do you think you should?


Is it not also written "take all things in moderation" ?


If you want to have a beer, have a beer, just don't become an alcohalic.


If you want to have a cigarette, have a cigarette; but be able to live without them and not become a pack after pack smoker.


If you love somebody, they love you, you are not in fact married but have expressed your love for each other in a genuine way and you both agree you are ready, make love.


There are obvious differences between making love and simply having sex or f*cking somebody, and some are:


not caring what happens next when your finished (ie, leaving the premises in the fastest way possible, going home or whatever) if you have somewhere to go thats different but choosing to sleep somewhere else afterward? I think that's a clear sign you got what you're after and that's all you're after.


not being able to wait (pushing for sex in general should be a sign it's what's foremost in your mind, people with other intentions dont need to push, they are patient)


If you are in a committed relationship of any kind, one where you're both clearly there for other reasons aside from just having sex, in due time you'll realize you really love each other.


For the love of God express it!
I read our family Masonic Bible from cover to cover even the Mason stuff. After taking my required german in highschool I thought I liked the KJV until I saw Pastor Malisa Scott translate the old texts, After I noticed that some references stated that this PROBABLY means this. The square root of 5 is Probably greater than 2.
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With your statements, I agree you are showing a predetermined views that differ from the intent of any of the versions of the bible.

In my belief the scriptures gives us guidelines, but it is left up to us to make a decision as to what we do. The dogma that each religion professes will not necessarily lead us right, will just lead us down someone else's opinion of what we should do.

We must live our lived where we feel content with ourselves, and if we are not content with ourselves it is our responsibility to make things right with our creator. We must do this the way we feel is right, not how some religion dictates that we must do it
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I thought the person who started the thread had good points. Love your neighbor as yourself was Jesus's primary point, and that's pretty hard to do......you have to love yourself, obviously, and then extend your neighbor that same regard. My favorite version of the bible is the Jerusalem version, it is tranlated from the original Hebrew and Greek, etc. The King James version was done at a time when scholarly standards were not that high, and King James could have lopped of the translators' heads if they displeased him. So..... Just compare Song of Solomon in both versions, and you'll see the huge differences. There is also a quote form Ecclesiastes 4 19 that basically states that we are no different than animals, we breathe the same air and return to dust when we are dead. A fair reading of the whole supports that we be much more responsible in our care of animals, i.e. "factory farming" , animal experimentation etc. are I believe reprehensible to God. I treat all my animals as if they have a soul. Siren
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Has anyone who quotes the scriptures actually read them in their entirety, or do they simple bookmark 'the good parts'?...The parts he liked (or didn't like)?
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Far as I know the only two real 'laws' Jesus ever gave to live by were these...I do not recall from reading the [bible] anything that says 'Do not...'...It is...written "take all things in moderation"....
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If you want to have a beer, have a beer...If you want to have a cigarette, have a cigarette...
1 Corinthians 6:12-20: "Just because something is technically legal doesn't mean that it's spiritually appropriate. If I went around doing whatever I thought I could get by with, I'd be a slave to my whims. ...It may be true that the body is only a temporary thing, but that's no excuse for stuffing your body with food, or indulging it with sex. Since the Master honors you with a body, honor him with your body! ...Or didn't you realize that your body is a sacred place, the place of the Holy Spirit? Don't you see that you can't live however you please, squandering what God paid such a high price for? The physical part of you is not some piece of property belonging to the spiritual part of you. God owns the whole works. So let people see God in and through your body."

What does the bible say about alchohol? God tells us that the drink...
  • “Cheapens your life” (Ephesians 5:18)
  • Dulls your expectation of the coming of God/day of the Lord (Luke 21:34).
  • “Take[s] away the understanding” and “wisdom” (Hosea 4:11)
  • “Rob[s] [you] of [your] senses” (Hosea 4:11)
  • “Leave[s] my people in a stupor” (Jesus, Hosea 4:11)
  • Results in faulty judgment (Isaiah 28:8)
  • Makes it so you don't know right from wrong (Proverbs 31:__)
  • Leads to poverty (Proverbs 23:21)
  • Leads to sorrow “Who are the people who are always crying the blues?” (Proverbs 23:29)
  • Leads to self pity “Who do you know who reeks of self-pity?” (Proverbs 23:29)
  • Damages your body and makes you sick “Don't judge wine by its label, or its bouquet, or its full-bodied flavor. Judge it rather by the hangover it leaves you with—the splitting headache, the queasy stomach. Do you really prefer seeing double, with your speech all slurred, Reeling and seasick, drunk as a sailor?” (Proverbs 23:31-34) They “stagger from drink, weaving, falling-down drunks, besotted with wine and whiskey, can't see straight, can't talk sense." (Isaiah 28:8)
  • Makes a fool of you (Proverbs 31)
  • Leads to mocking/scorn (verse)
  • Leads to fights, quarrels/quarrelsomeness, meanness and strife (Proverbs 23:29-30, Isaiah 28:8, Hosea 7:5, Proverbs 20:1).
  • Hurts the people who depend on you (Proverbs 31)
  • Is a disgrace. (Habakukk 2:15)
  • Leads to contempt of/having nothing to do with God’s work and "pay[ing] no mind to what he is doing.” (Isaiah 5:12)
  • “Keeps you from performing at your peak potential and stops you from having the kind of reliable energy you need to best serve your Creator. ....Dietary poisons...irritate your system, affect your moods, cloud your mind, and rob your body of strength and health. As a result, your effectiveness, your relationship with others and with God and your length of time on this planet are negatively affected.” (Body By God)
  • Dishoners God (2 Corinthians 6:12-20)
  • Squanders your life. “Don’t squander one bit of this marvelous life God has given us. ...We can't afford to waste a minute, we must not squander these precious daylight hours in frivolity and indulgence, in sleeping around and dissipation, in bickering and grabbing everything in sight. Get out of bed and get dressed! Don't loiter and linger, waiting until the very last minute. Dress yourselves in Christ, and be up and about!” (2 Corinthians 6)

Instead, Jesus challenges us to behave “decently”, “honestly”, “properly” and “becomingly.”

”Wild parties, drunkenness, sexual immorality, promiscuity, rivalry, and jealousy cannot be part of our lives.“ (Romans 13:13).

"Whether you eat or drink, whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God" (1 Corinthians 10:31).


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If...you are not...married but have expressed your love..and you both agree you are ready, make love. ...For the love of God express [your love for each other]!!
"Flee from sexual immorality" (1 Corinthians 6:18).

"Honor marriage, and guard the sacredness of sexual intimacy between wife and husband. God draws a firm line against casual and illicit sex." (Hebrews 13:4)

"God will judge as guilty those who take part in sexual sins." (1 Corinthians 6)

"We must not pursue the kind of sex that avoids commitment and intimacy, leaving us more lonely than ever - the kind of sex that can never 'become one.'" (Hebrews 13)

"There is a sense in which sexual sins are different from all others. In sexual sin we violate the sacredness of our own bodies, these bodies that were made for God-given and God-modeled love, for 'becoming one' with another." (1 Corinthians 6)

"The Bible clearly teaches that all sexual relations outside marriage are wrong in God's eyes. The Bible bluntly says, 'Flee from sexual immorality' (1 Corinthians 6:18). This includes any kind of sexual activity apart from marriage." (Billy Graham)

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Has anyone who quotes the scriptures actually read them in their entirety, or do they simple bookmark 'the good parts'?...The parts he liked (or didn't like)?
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If you love somebody...have expressed your love for each other...make love.


"There's a vast difference in the bible between word 'love' and 'lust. You think you're in 'love' but actually it's a physical attraction/desire." (Billy Graham)

"We have to have rules to live by. And what you're saying is we're going to play a baseball game without any rules, we're going to play a football game without any rules, we're going to live a life without any moral rules. Well God has laid down certain rules and said 'If you want the best of life, if you want complete happiness and fulfillment, live by these rules.' And one of those rules is that 'thou shalt not commit immorality.'

"Most pychologists today and most psychiatrists I think would agree with the Bible, that there are very serious problems involved. God did not say 'thou shalt not commit immorality before marriage in order to keep you from having a good time or having fun.' He said that to protect you. To protect you psychologically, to protect your body, because today venereal disease is at an all time high dispite all of our problems and illigeitmacy is at an all time high inspite of all our medical science...And all of these things God has said 'I want to make you happy, I want to help you, and I've given you some rules to live by and this is the rules." (Billy Graham)

"'Thou shalt not commit adultrery.' I believe we need another Moses today, that says once again 'thou shalt not'...John the baptist would not compromise with that law. He said to the king, you're living in sin, it's wrong....[Sexual immorality is] wrong, it's a sin, it's the breaking of the law! He would not lower the standard. Look at those who have said 'the moral law can be changed' or they say its relatiive. God's nature never changes. It's still the same. 'I change not.' God has not changed so much as an eyelash in his view toward sin. ....We think we can break God's law and get away with it. [But we have] more troubles, more boredom, more unhappiness than ever before. It doesn't solve problems it creates problems." (Billy Graham)

"Remember that God gave us the gift of sex in the first place—and He intended for it to be a source of joy and happiness for us. But He also intended for it to be restricted to marriage. Why? One reason is because it was to be a sign of the unity between a husband and wife. It was, in other words, meant to be an expression of their mutual commitment and love. But sex outside marriage easily becomes selfish, and even boring.

"God knows what is best for us, including this important area of our lives. Why ignore His way, when it is best for us in the long run? The Bible warns, 'There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death' (Proverbs 14:12) The Bible also promises, 'Blessed are they whose ways are blameless' (Psalm 119:1).

"...With God's help we can follow a far better path." (Billy Graham)

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