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She has just as much right to pick and choose what she believes in the bible just like EVERY other Christian does.
 
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dore,551119 wrote :

The key is how to have that relationship. That is what I struggle with. I've never had a relationship, really, and so translating my experiences into helping me have a relationship with God is just tough. That's why having all those rules is actually the easy way out. People figure if they follow those rules they are "good" Christians. And God is left standing there saying, "What about US?" There's no relationship. And that is why He created us. Not for us to be cookie-cutters of someone else's relationship to God.
Lots of words of wisdom in your post, dore. I agree 100%.
 
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Christian is a subjective term. For those who are judemental they will see Christ and the bible as interpretations of their own consciousness and express their beliefs accordingly. For those who are loving and accepting they will view Christ as an example of God's will personified.
 
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Christian is a subjective term. For those who are judemental they will see Christ and the bible as interpretations of their own consciousness and express their beliefs accordingly. For those who are loving and accepting they will view Christ as an example of God's will personified.
When I look back the forty or so years to my teen years I see the self rightus make every oneelse do what I thought is wright. I was not saved at the time. For some strange reason some people seem to need that structure of some one telling them what to do every minet. It is funny we think that the people who ar like that we think are so holy but Pual called them, well for a word I can spell, childish. As we learn about what Jesus is realy like and with Him and him working in us we become more like Him. Of corse I am talking about the one who has given his life to Christ, and in fellow ship. A believer out of fellow ship is not very Christ like, at least I'm not. (christians have to repent too). When we come to the law of Moses, the 10 comamdments ect, they ended when Christ was cresified becuse the law required death for disobaydence. Pual talked about some thing I call sinning aganst your conchence Romans 14:14 "(I know and am prsuaded by the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in its self. Still, to someone who considers a thing unclean , to them that one it is unclean)" I have knowen people from alcohalic famlies who consider drinking a sin and to them it is, they are at risk of becomming alcholics. it would be a sin to drink becuse no one knows where that line is that one becomes an alcholic. not everyone who drinks becomes an alcholic there seems to be a predisposition for it. There are thoes who clam that Jesus did not drink, I have heard their logic for this and it sounds to me like reverse thinking, it is some thing like this "drinking is sin, jesus did not sin so therefore, he did nnot drink." the problem with this is that he was welcomed in houses where there was a lot of drinking, He was called by his detractors a wine bibber, and he sead he came eating and drinking. But I let it go for their consances, like Pual ask, why should I destroy them over this issue? We live in a country that even the unsaved believes that drinking is sin. If you don't believe me see what hapens when a christian is cought with a beer in his hand. So therefore I do not drink so that Christ may be glorefied and that is one less stumbling block that I put in peoples paths.
 
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I also grew up in a very legalistic Christina denomination. My holiness denomination believed(s) that drinking alcohol is a sin, having sex before marriage is a sin, using the Lord's name in vain is a sin, etc.....

I certainly agree with points 2 & 3. Point1, I have always had questions about. While the churches I have attended would speak very negatively about the use of tobacco products, there were still members of the church who were smokers. Also, there were quite a few members who were very obese and would load their plates full of food (sometimes two plates at once) during lunches that the church would through (better known as homecoming meal.) Supposedly gluttony is a sin, but I have never heard a sermon on overeating to the point of gluttony.

With that said, I have always been confused on the issue with alcohol. I realize that it's not the healthiest thing for you (save for the one glass of red wine a day is good for the heart.) I have also heard that the alcohol that was consumed in bible times was actually meant to be "medicine". I think it comes down to this: if you are convicted as a Christian that your drinking is keeping you from being the Christian you ought to be, then it can become a sin. Like anything you put before God becomes your god. I'm not so sure the alcohol itself has demonic spirits in it, but I do think that it is one of those things that can wreck havoc in your life if you do not control it. And once your decisions in life are based around your desire to drink, that is when the alcohol takes over your life.
 
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greg75 wrote :
I also grew up in a very legalistic Christina denomination. My holiness denomination believed(s) that drinking alcohol is a sin... I have always had questions about. Supposedly gluttony is a sin, but I have never heard a sermon on overeating to the point of gluttony.
Maybe the point with viewing drinking alcohol as a sin has something to do with it seeming "gluttonous". It is not "necessary" as a source of nourishment, so indulging in it could be seen in that way. People have to eat food to live, but they don't have to drink alcohol, or do drugs, or anything like that. And, I am sure that in biblical times, there was much less gluttony concerning food. Most people "ate to live", not "lived to eat". Now, that has all changed, but the Church still does not preach against overeating as "gluttony".


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I have also heard that the alcohol that was consumed in bible times was actually meant to be "medicine".
Most "medicines" at that time were simply alcohol. Even a few hundred years ago - or even a hundred years ago - there was the "snake oil salesman" hawking his "secret elixirs", which were nothing more than alcohol mixed with a few herbs and other natural ingredients.
 
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Christianity is not and never was a tea tolalling religion. The Bible has many, many positive references to drining alcohol. There are teachings aganist drunkeness but not drinking. You, of course, can choose to have no alcohol. But you can't blame it on the God of the Bible.
when I read a statment like this I wounder what is behind it. It always sounds to me like some one is trying to hide or defend some thing that their conscions is telling them is wrong,
 
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