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Can_I_just_be_Jo is offline Can_I_just_be_Jo Post #21  July 29,2010, 5:39pm

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Discover loses money on me. I pay it off every month and I get like 1% cash back more if I shop somewhere that has 5%. Works pretty good for me
I think you could charge a house on my father's Discover limit. I guess they figure if they keep raising the limit he may eventually carry a balance.

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I think you could charge a house on my father's Discover limit. I guess they figure if they keep raising the limit he may eventually carry a balance.

Yeah, no!
Haha yeah the free money is so much better!
 
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Haha yeah the free money is so much better!
Kinda makes you wonder how few people do that since they still make a mess of money.
 
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We are the children, who is the parent and who is the babysitter? This is actually an analogy I can sink my teeth into. I blame a lot of the lack of taking resppnsibility for one's actions on what I call day care mentality.

Day care mentality is we now pay people for what we used to do ourselves, such as raising our kids, and no longer find the need to take responsibility for anything.
I don't think that we are all children.

Individuals that could care less about being responsible in their activities in an effort to gain profit would be the babies that need someone to keep them in line.

As far as day care... there can be much value in that for a child if the care is of good quality. Could be very beneficial & moreso than if they had stayed at home. There are excellent teachers in that field.

I get your analogy on that but certainly not to be taken as a blanket statement.
 
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I don't think that we are all children.

Individuals that could care less about being responsible in their activities in an effort to gain profit would be the babies that need someone to keep them in line.

As far as day care... there can be much value in that for a child if the care is of good quality. Could be very beneficial & moreso than if they had stayed at home. There are excellent teachers in that field.

I get your analogy on that but certainly not to be taken as a blanket statement.
This is probably going to sound worse that what it is meant to be. Sorry up front I do value what you are saying.

You have been on eHa how long? Haven't you seen countless people post here that have done nothing to help their situation, they have enough baggage to fill an entire self storage facility, they hate everything about the opposite sex, but they come on here with their questions of how eHa has failed them. They pay for this service and darn it! it should just find them someone who won't run!

How many teachers have you spoke with that will tell you the parents will do nothing because they don't spend enough time with their kids so it is the schools responsibility to make their children learn. They don't want to spend the evening working with their kids they want to play with their kids and take them to their 2mil activities they proudly have stickers for in their back window.

No these are not blanket statements just like saying we are the children doesn't mean we are all immature. My daughter at 14 had more maturity than a fair number of adults I have met in my life. Some kids get it, some will have mommy and daddy following them for the rest of their lives.

Without personal responsibility nothing will work. Outside factors can only go so far, this is the biggest problem with the liberal we can save them mindset. You can't just give them everything they need to save themselves they have to do part of the work. It breaks down on that level so none of these regulations and such are going to help at that level.

In the level of big business most liberals in government are lawyers. Most if not all have no clue how business works beyond what the lobby tells them. I took some law classes that were relevant to business. I can assure you the way law looks at law and the way business looks at law is completely opposite. When I was finished with those classes it was WOW! I now understand why business and tax can drive a truck through the loopholes. The laws and regulations only catch those businesses that cannot afford the best advisors, they hurt small business. They always sound good because Congress is telling the press what the law is supposed to do. This is an innocent failing because business hasn't got a hold of it yet to go, ah ha! and it not do anything it was supposed to do.

Okay, time for me to wake up. Hope this didn't sound too bad.
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This is probably going to sound worse that what it is meant to be. Sorry up front I do value what you are saying.

You have been on eHa how long? Haven't you seen countless people post here that have done nothing to help their situation, they have enough baggage to fill an entire self storage facility, they hate everything about the opposite sex, but they come on here with their questions of how eHa has failed them. They pay for this service and darn it! it should just find them someone who won't run!

How many teachers have you spoke with that will tell you the parents will do nothing because they don't spend enough time with their kids so it is the schools responsibility to make their children learn. They don't want to spend the evening working with their kids they want to play with their kids and take them to their 2mil activities they proudly have stickers for in their back window.

No these are not blanket statements just like saying we are the children doesn't mean we are all immature. My daughter at 14 had more maturity than a fair number of adults I have met in my life. Some kids get it, some will have mommy and daddy following them for the rest of their lives.

Without personal responsibility nothing will work. Outside factors can only go so far, this is the biggest problem with the liberal we can save them mindset. You can't just give them everything they need to save themselves they have to do part of the work. It breaks down on that level so none of these regulations and such are going to help at that level.

In the level of big business most liberals in government are lawyers. Most if not all have no clue how business works beyond what the lobby tells them. I took some law classes that were relevant to business. I can assure you the way law looks at law and the way business looks at law is completely opposite. When I was finished with those classes it was WOW! I now understand why business and tax can drive a truck through the loopholes. The laws and regulations only catch those businesses that cannot afford the best advisors, they hurt small business. They always sound good because Congress is telling the press what the law is supposed to do. This is an innocent failing because business hasn't got a hold of it yet to go, ah ha! and it not do anything it was supposed to do.

Okay, time for me to wake up. Hope this didn't sound too bad.
I honestly don't think that you have a grasp of the liberal mindset (Not that I am one but I do relate to them very well.)

I also think that you vastly overestimate the affect & the extent in which people are being "taken care of".

You seem to want to give up entirely on bringing ethics into business. Every attempt to crack down on antics is seen as anti-business or redistributive or something.

Any bill that is seen as a crackdown to close loopholes is met with such opposition....& very strong opposition from the right. They whine like babies at any regulatory bill.....(or is that just Mark Levine that does that? What a bonehead that guy is. He did have me cheering up a storm today on my way home from work!!)

Allow this administration to regulate heavily & much of what you are bemoaning would be dealt with.
 
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I have a post in moderation... not sure what triggered that.

Maybe it was my use of the nickname of one Dicky Stabone?

Anyhow..... on another note.... bankruptcy law must really, really tick you off then....or at least it should. Talk about welfare & redistribution amounting to huge dollar amounts.
 
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Anyhow..... on another note.... bankruptcy law must really, really tick you off then....or at least it should. Talk about welfare & redistribution amounting to huge dollar amounts.
Are you talking corporate or personal? The Chrysler/GM bankruptcies made me beyond angry.
 
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Are you talking corporate or personal? The Chrysler/GM bankruptcies made me beyond angry.
If so, then every corporate bankruptcy should make you angry.

The fact that this is in place negates all other negative claims of redistribution as being selective and arbitrary.
 
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Since we don't know what put you in moderation I am not going to quote you.

If I could wave a magic wand and make welfare go away I would. Not because of the money it would save the government but the human capital that is being wasted. I don't even want to think about how many great minds may have been beaten down by that system to believe that making babies is their lot in life. Liberal politicians (better?) seem to think that the fix is throw more money at them. They need real people with real solutions. They need good teachers that show examples to the students, they need mentors that give a care. Learned helplessness is very difficult to fix.

Just like with welfare the fix has to be humans and from within. You want ethical business then don't bail the darn fools out. Let them lose their businesses, a little creative destruction would be fun to watch. The beauty of creative destruction is that the unethical fail and the ethical remain strong and by up the good bits of the ones that fail. They become stronger. In theory it rewards ethical behavior. I say in theory since we didn't let anyone fail.

Until they learn how to stop loopholes (here is an idea don't let the people you are trying to regulate write the laws ) all the new regulations do is add costs that are past on to the end consumers, usually us.

As much as I seem to have some answers I am not arrogant to claim they will work. I only know what they are doing is def not working. How about we try something new.
 
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