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bigfincat is offline bigfincat Post #1  July 10,2010, 3:21pm
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The spin is so significant that I can't get the real story.

Just as an example:

Many outlets have stated that voter intimidation took place.

Others have had the complainants stating that pollsters were being held off.... and voters were NOT.

I don't know what to think of that one.

Keeping pollsters away from voters would not be criminal in any way.

Pollsters were there to harass voters looking for identification.

If I am at a voting facility & an outsider tried to discern whether or not I was a valid voter I would laugh at them & would absolutely not show them proof of anything.

While I don't think that anyone (including pollsters) should be allowed to congregate outside of such an event, I don't think that the threshold of criminality was reached at this given time.

That should be illegal BUT we need to legislate against it.

Just as we should legislate that noone SHOULD be allowed to congregate within a certain vicinity of an abortion clinic we should legislate with some kind of footage law to keep people away.
 
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bigfincat is offline bigfincat Post #2  July 10,2010, 5:25pm
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It is quite shocking!

This entire story is political & not a legal issue in the least.
 
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jayjay is offline jayjay Post #3  July 10,2010, 6:28pm
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...things seem to have gotten quiet around here.

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Are you talking about that case of the black panthers standing outside a polling location in the last presidential election?
 
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jayjay wrote :
Are you talking about that case of the black panthers standing outside a polling location in the last presidential election?
Yes.

Only as an example of how misleading news can be.
 
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bigfincat wrote :
If I am at a voting facility & an outsider tried to discern whether or not I was a valid voter I would laugh at them & would absolutely not show them proof of anything.
If you are a registered voter, do you not have to divulge your details at the poll site so they can mark you as having voted?
 
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meri75 wrote :
If you are a registered voter, do you not have to divulge your details at the poll site so they can mark you as having voted?
Of course you should have to produce that info to officials involved.

There is no way that any citizen that wishes to should be allowed to randomly question people entering the building.

No unofficial or uninvited people should be allowed to congregate very close to those types of events.

I have read nothing to contradict the story that those 2 gentleman were actually escorting voters into the building & preventing unofficial people from bothering them.

Do you think that news outlets tried to color the legal case by carrying it with an unrelated racial rant?
 
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I am confused ... Is there a news story associated with this?
Last edited by Rand_011; July 12,2010 at 9:46am. Reason: Too early = Bad typos
 
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jayjay is offline jayjay Post #8  July 12,2010, 7:54pm
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...things seem to have gotten quiet around here.

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I have read nothing to contradict the story that those 2 gentleman were actually escorting voters into the building & preventing unofficial people from bothering them.
I believe one of them pleaded guilty to a mild charge and agreed to 2 years of parole or something like that. Do you figure he was just a civic minded citizen helping out at the polls who was coerced into this plea? Also, while the video that has been shown on tv may not depict everything done it does appear that some voters could have easily been intimidated by the presence of these men.
 
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jayjay wrote :
I believe one of them pleaded guilty to a mild charge and agreed to 2 years of parole or something like that. Do you figure he was just a civic minded citizen helping out at the polls who was coerced into this plea? Also, while the video that has been shown on tv may not depict everything done it does appear that some voters could have easily been intimidated by the presence of these men.
He is guilty due to the fact that he didn't show up. He can't congregate near a voting facility for 2 years. That doesn't sound like parole. Shouldn't be allowed there in the first place with or without a stick.

This was a minor incident that deserves such minor consequences & no story to speak of. The officers told the guy to leave the premises & he did. There is pretty much no circumstance in which law enforcement would pursue that further.

If the evidence was so damning then why did the story come with mostly facts that don't relate to the case?

It would be nice if being racist were a punishable offense but I think that we would experience serious overcrowding.

From what I have seen of criminal behavior & punishment this incident doesn't reach the radar.
 
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zal is offline zal Post #10  July 13,2010, 2:54pm
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bigfincat wrote :
Of course you should have to produce that info to officials involved.

There is no way that any citizen that wishes to should be allowed to randomly question people entering the building.

No unofficial or uninvited people should be allowed to congregate very close to those types of events.

I have read nothing to contradict the story that those 2 gentleman were actually escorting voters into the building & preventing unofficial people from bothering them.

Do you think that news outlets tried to color the legal case by carrying it with an unrelated racial rant?
Are you referring to the guys in military fatigues, one of whom was wielding a club? The allegations are that they were intimidating people who were attempting to vote. I haven't heard anything about pollsters, but news organizations frequently conduct exit polls in order to estimate results. There is no law prohibiting them from doing so. Personally, I would not provide that information, but many people do. If, in fact, these gentlemen were interfering with the voting process (i.e. intimidating people from voting) they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

You are correct that it is often difficult to determine the true facts based on news reports.
 
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