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waltercl is offline waltercl Post #31  August 10,2010, 12:02am
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He doesn't actually play the blame game but when he feels that he is being blamed for something he does respond.
I think it would be much more accurate to say that anytime someone tries to hold him accountable or responsible for anything he resorts to blaming.

What he doesn't understand is that people aren't blaming him for what happened in the past. We know he inherited a mess. What we're upset about is that he's making it worse.

Every time he brings up the analogy of the Republicans driving the car in the ditch, all I can picture is Obama getting in the car and gunning the motor while digging the car farther and farther into the same ditch.

There is actually a lot he could be doing. Small businesses aren't hiring and investors aren't investing because of all of the uncertainty. Nobody knows what all the implications of the healthcare bill are really going to be on small businesses because the HHS Secretary is the one tasked with filling in most of the blanks, and that has yet to be done. The recent bill that was suppose to protect us from another financial mess actually just places more and more regulations and paperwork on small businesses, and we still don't know what the tax rates are going to be on small businesses and investments.

Dems will tell you that tax hikes on those making above $250,000 are only going to hit the wealthy, but about 30% of small businesses are in that same tax bracket, and that 30% is responsible for most of the jobs that are created. You raise their taxes, and they are not going to have the money to hire as many workers. If you tax dividends and investments more then you're going to have less investments and therefore less capital going into the economy.

I really don't consider this to be a liberal vs. conservative argument, but more about common sense. I can't believe there are intelligent people who believe it is better to take money out of the private sector to put in the hands of the government where it can be spent on such important things as studying monkeys when they've gotten high on pot or the mating habits of salmon. Who do you think spends money on contractors to fix up their homes, or buys new homes, or goes out to eat in the kind of restaurants where college students are working for tips to pay their tuition? Leave the money in the economy to work. Increase incentives to invest in the economy and create jobs.
 
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Oh, and funny thing about the ramifications of healthcare reform ...

At least in CA the biggest insurance company will no longer be offering new policies for individuals and families as of September 22nd due to the law that takes place on the 23rd ...

Several others have already notified us that they are pulling out of a few states ...
 
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Let me amend that ... The second largest insurer in the country will no longer be offering new individual and family plans as of 9/22/2010 along with the 4th largest ... At least they will no longer be offering new policies pending regulatory approval ofr increased rates ...

Funny thing that is ... I mean who would have thought that making all children guaranteed issue with no waiting period/exclusions effective prior to any incentive to get insured could result in adverse conditions ...

Especially when the HHS lets the insurers know what the law is but 2 months before it will go into effect ...
 
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Oh, and funny thing about the ramifications of healthcare reform ...

At least in CA the biggest insurance company will no longer be offering new policies for individuals and families as of September 22nd due to the law that takes place on the 23rd ...

Several others have already notified us that they are pulling out of a few states ...
Those that are not being offered healthcare or insurance from that company will still need healthcare. Some avenue will provide such services.
 
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waltercl wrote :
I think it would be much more accurate to say that anytime someone tries to hold him accountable or responsible for anything he resorts to blaming.

What he doesn't understand is that people aren't blaming him for what happened in the past. We know he inherited a mess. What we're upset about is that he's making it worse.

Every time he brings up the analogy of the Republicans driving the car in the ditch, all I can picture is Obama getting in the car and gunning the motor while digging the car farther and farther into the same ditch.

There is actually a lot he could be doing. Small businesses aren't hiring and investors aren't investing because of all of the uncertainty. Nobody knows what all the implications of the healthcare bill are really going to be on small businesses because the HHS Secretary is the one tasked with filling in most of the blanks, and that has yet to be done. The recent bill that was suppose to protect us from another financial mess actually just places more and more regulations and paperwork on small businesses, and we still don't know what the tax rates are going to be on small businesses and investments.

Dems will tell you that tax hikes on those making above $250,000 are only going to hit the wealthy, but about 30% of small businesses are in that same tax bracket, and that 30% is responsible for most of the jobs that are created. You raise their taxes, and they are not going to have the money to hire as many workers. If you tax dividends and investments more then you're going to have less investments and therefore less capital going into the economy.

I really don't consider this to be a liberal vs. conservative argument, but more about common sense. I can't believe there are intelligent people who believe it is better to take money out of the private sector to put in the hands of the government where it can be spent on such important things as studying monkeys when they've gotten high on pot or the mating habits of salmon. Who do you think spends money on contractors to fix up their homes, or buys new homes, or goes out to eat in the kind of restaurants where college students are working for tips to pay their tuition? Leave the money in the economy to work. Increase incentives to invest in the economy and create jobs.
Would you rather see more small businesses or would you prefer that small businesses are incentivised to become big business?

More small businesses would mean that less people are actually dependent on the companies that you wish to incentivize for their way of life.

I think that the tax policy adjustment is a good long-term idea. All parties will adjust & I would be surprised if we did not see a significant rise in small business creation as well as a larger population of individuals earning between 100 K & 200 K......which is strengthening the middle class in a big way.

Also, there is a fantastic amount of impatience from the general public. Who's fault is that? I understand & appreciate the fact that many are faced with working harder or somehow replenishing what they thought they had for retirement but it is what it is. It was money left on the table.

I have never been comfortable with risking much of what I have earned for any extended period of time because it is highly out of my control if left on the table permanently. It may be less reward (of potential money) but works for me.

There is no doubt in my mind that many, many folks are skewing the polls when it comes to favorability toward policy in that they would answer "not now" as opposed to being opposed to the same policy at another point in time.

I believe that the man disagrees with that entirely. He has stated that he is "not willing to kick the can" & "if not now...When??"

I couldn't agree with him more. The "not now" argument is a terrible one.
 
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Those that are not being offered healthcare or insurance from that company will still need healthcare. Some avenue will provide such services.
Most definitely ... I am sure there will still be options ... Yet, if the competitive companies, those offering the best benefits for the least cost pull out ... That does leave us with the problem that we are left with tier 2/3 companies as a result ...

But it also paves the way for the other companies to pull out as well ... They and we know that whoever is offering plans after the change will get the lion share of the current uninsurables ... Thereby yielding that company with a toxic pool of individuals ... The company most able to handle that pool has pulled out for now ... My estimation is that more will be following suit, they just don't have the resources to take on all the uninsurables in CA that are children with the rates as they are (and unable to change due to the insurance comissioner's office)
 
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I see your points Walter. It is just a different approach to dealing with it.

The current situation that we are in shows us that we have a system that makes so many individuals financially dependent on that system for their way of life.

Many of the ideas that you suggest are in essence doubling down on that depency. Incentivizing someone to indirectly provide for the larger population.

I view this administration's goal as a system that moves toward incentivizing individual financial independence in a more direct way.

In incentivizing larger companies we are actually going further into dependence. (Many hard working people had put their trust in a system that largely took control out there hands .)

I can't support that.
 
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