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Rand_011 is offline Rand_011 Post #21  July 22,2010, 11:11am
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Just the SEC needs 800 new employees due to the financial regulations he just signed. Exactly how is additional bureaucracy streamlining? He can say whatever he likes, actions are what I am looking for.
Ahh, but they are extending the much needed unemployment benefits past the 99 week mark (IIRC) ... My understanding of unemployment benefits is that it's at 50% of income up to a benchmark, is that right? Also, is that income taxable? If it isn't taxable then that is not too bad a deal ... You can roughly get paid 2/3 of your previous income and not have to work ...

So, now we can just not work for nearly 2 years and still bring home a hefty paycheck ...

Gotta love it!
 
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Ahh, but they are extending the much needed unemployment benefits past the 99 week mark (IIRC) ... My understanding of unemployment benefits is that it's at 50% of income up to a benchmark, is that right? Also, is that income taxable? If it isn't taxable then that is not too bad a deal ... You can roughly get paid 2/3 of your previous income and not have to work ...

So, now we can just not work for nearly 2 years and still bring home a hefty paycheck ...

Gotta love it!
So far they haven't passed the extension. Unemployment varies from state to state and different circumstances. It is too complicated for me to memorize.(I often wonder how many people realize this is all off the top of my head ) It is taxable in part because employer contributions are tax free. An easy rule of thumb for taxation, if they haven't taxed it they will tax it, if they have taxed it they may tax it again.

The amount is usually capped at a level most would not want to live on but high enough that if you give up your latte and cable you will be fine for a while. That is why some wait around on it for their dream job to come back. That is also why fiscal conservatives are trying to stop the extension.

Another problem with the extension is that what employers are paying into unemployment is going up with each extension. If the costs of your current employees continues to rise you cannot afford new ones. That doesn't exactly help unemployment.
 
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If I read the news article correctly, it was passed last night extending it for another three months ... At least in CA, it's up at a $1800 monthly cap ... Not a great amount ... But still more than my brother brings home every month and he works full time, heh.
 
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It probably warrants repeating that companies were shedding jobs wholesale long before the issue of rising unemployment benefits was ever dreamed up...and were treating employees like disposable commodities long before anyone even heard of Obama.
 
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It probably also bears repeating that people were lazy at their job and putting in the minimum amount of effort required long before the issue of unemployment benefits was dremed up or Obama was even around ...

Unsure what the relevance of that is, but there it is
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It probably also bears repeating that people were lazy at their job and putting in the minimum amount of effort required long before the issue of unemployment benefits was dremed up or Obama was even around ...
Indeed, some of them were and still are. However, I think it's safe to say that most are hard working folk who - through no fault of their own - now find themselves unable to locate work, or at least decent paying work. Penalizing these folks simply because a minority is lazy hardly seems like the answer. I know quite a few of them and I can assure you that none of them are working for a couple of months and bringing in "hefty" paychecks on unemployment benefits. It simply doesn't work that way.

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Unsure what the relevance of that is, but there it is
The relevance is that it's popular sport for many on the right to criticize the president for either not doing enough, not doing it fast enough, or doing what they feel is the wrong thing altogether. Rising unemployment, deficit spending, bailouts, a giant mess of a healthcare system, an economy in shambles......none of these things magically sprang into being the moment Barack Obama set foot in the White House. I didn't vote for Obama but, considering the scope of the mess inherited from the previous administration, there's probably little he *can* do to please anyone - especially those who didn't want him in the oval office to begin with.
 
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Indeed, some of them were and still are. However, I think it's safe to say that most are hard working folk who - through no fault of their own - now find themselves unable to locate work, or at least decent paying work. Penalizing these folks simply because a minority is lazy hardly seems like the answer. I know quite a few of them and I can assure you that none of them are working for a couple of months and bringing in "hefty" paychecks on unemployment benefits. It simply doesn't work that way.

I am not in favor of penalizing them for being lazy or out of work ... But, I am not in favor of the government taking tax dollars and giving it to them solely because they lost their job or don't have a job ...

The relevance is that it's popular sport for many on the right to criticize the president for either not doing enough, not doing it fast enough, or doing what they feel is the wrong thing altogether. Rising unemployment, deficit spending, bailouts, a giant mess of a healthcare system, an economy in shambles......none of these things magically sprang into being the moment Barack Obama set foot in the White House. I didn't vote for Obama but, considering the scope of the mess inherited from the previous administration, there's probably little he *can* do to please anyone - especially those who didn't want him in the oval office to begin with.
I agree ... The right is really critisizing the current administration ... I will also point out that the left was really critisizing the previous administration ... I find it quite amusing on my side to see the roles so heavily reversed in a matter of a year ...

Neither admin was dealt pocket aces ... I would hazard to say that both were dealt a 2/7 off suit hand ... And then just seeing face cards on the flop ...

I don't envy either of them ... However, I don't care much for all the woes of the present resulting in finger pointing to the other guy ... I didn't care much for it when some republicans did it towards Clinton after 9/11 and I don't care for it now ... It does leave a bad taste in my mouth to see the leader of our country doing a great deal of the finger pointing ... And results in people looking at the previous leader and still seeing an individual (as far as I have seen) not malign or attack the current leader back ...

A better way to show that you are a better option than the previous guy is to have better results ... Leave the name-calling in the locker room ... And show by your actions that you are more qualified ...
 
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The relevance is that it's popular sport for many on the right to criticize the president for either not doing enough, not doing it fast enough, or doing what they feel is the wrong thing altogether. Rising unemployment, deficit spending, bailouts, a giant mess of a healthcare system, an economy in shambles......none of these things magically sprang into being the moment Barack Obama set foot in the White House. I didn't vote for Obama but, considering the scope of the mess inherited from the previous administration, there's probably little he *can* do to please anyone - especially those who didn't want him in the oval office to begin with.

It would be nice if he was working hard doing something different than Bush. But unfortunately it's the same ol. Same economic policy same foreign policy.
 
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I agree ... The right is really critisizing the current administration ... I will also point out that the left was really critisizing the previous administration ... I find it quite amusing on my side to see the roles so heavily reversed in a matter of a year ...

Neither admin was dealt pocket aces ... I would hazard to say that both were dealt a 2/7 off suit hand ... And then just seeing face cards on the flop ...

I don't envy either of them ... However, I don't care much for all the woes of the present resulting in finger pointing to the other guy ... I didn't care much for it when some republicans did it towards Clinton after 9/11 and I don't care for it now ... It does leave a bad taste in my mouth to see the leader of our country doing a great deal of the finger pointing ... And results in people looking at the previous leader and still seeing an individual (as far as I have seen) not malign or attack the current leader back ...

A better way to show that you are a better option than the previous guy is to have better results ... Leave the name-calling in the locker room ... And show by your actions that you are more qualified ...
I agree that the Pres. does have difficulty communicating in this political climate.

He doesn't actually play the blame game but when he feels that he is being blamed for something he does respond.

He would much prefer that we didn't waste time with applying blame & get right to solving problems.

He should just say "Don't blame me" instead of bringing up Bush. (That is what he is saying but for such a good communicator he is doing a bad job there.)

That answer wouldn't fly either though so it is difficult to win.

There is a whole lot of blaming especially in the media. A whole lot of WHINING. It is hard to ignore that level of whining but he really should.

You do say that the left criticised Bush but that argument doesn't fly when you are dealing with people that did NOT criticize Bush incessantly. ( I do believe that Iraq was not at all thought out & left us vulnerable domestically... & that Cheney is an unethical, sneaky dude but that is about the extent of my criticism.)

It was childish then & it is childish now. The whole double standard argument is petty to me.

To be clear....I don't include you in the group that whines incessantly. I am sure that you would view many of the complaints that come up publicly are nonsense.
 
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Rand_011 wrote :
I agree ... The right is really critisizing the current administration ... I will also point out that the left was really critisizing the previous administration ... I find it quite amusing on my side to see the roles so heavily reversed in a matter of a year ...

Neither admin was dealt pocket aces ... I would hazard to say that both were dealt a 2/7 off suit hand ... And then just seeing face cards on the flop ...
While I don't disagree with this, I do think there are significant differences between what George Bush inherited from the Clinton administration and what Obama inherited from Bush. Indeed, the first Bush administration left an unfinished mess in the middle east for the Clinton administration, while Clinton failed to bring Bin Laden in. In any case, the party out of power is usually found taking pot shots at the party in power, regardless of what shape the country/economy is in. Neither party can claim the high road at any given time.

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A better way to show that you are a better option than the previous guy is to have better results ... Leave the name-calling in the locker room ... And show by your actions that you are more qualified ...
Agreed, however, our present two party system doesn't seem to foster an environment where either guy/gal can get much of anything positive accomplished. Each side seems more interested in winning elections to keep itself in power than moving positive changes forward for the country. Of course, what one considers positive changes depends largely on one's partisan bias....but that's a rant for another day.
 
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