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hazmat is offline hazmat Post #1  June 11,2010, 12:21pm
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The Louisiana state legislature passed a measure recently to randomly drug test (up to 20%) of welfare recipients. It was shot down by the state senate.

I find it insane that workers/taxpayers in almost any workplace are subject to random drug tests to keep our jobs, yet those receiving the charity from our hard work are under no such obligation.

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hazmat wrote :
The Louisiana state legislature passed a measure recently to randomly drug test (up to 20%) of welfare recipients. It was shot down by the state senate.

I find it insane that workers/taxpayers in almost any workplace are subject to random drug tests to keep our jobs, yet those receiving the charity from our hard work are under no such obligation.

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I think welfare should be substantially reduced. If randomly drug-testing welfare recipients would reduce payments, I'm all for it. However, random drug testing by the state upon a class of people would likely be struck down as unconstitutional.
 
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landstar59 is offline landstar59 Post #3  June 11,2010, 4:09pm
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I'm furious! I live and work in LA and I think the welfare recipients should have to be subjected to random drug tests. I work with some of these people and there is cause for concern...don't even get me started....(I'm going to e-mail my representatives about this!)
 
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The plan gave people who tested positive the choice to either enter a drug treatment program or lose the benefits. Sounds pretty reasonable to me if we're paying for your bills...and your drugs.
 
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zal wrote :
I think welfare should be substantially reduced. If randomly drug-testing welfare recipients would reduce payments, I'm all for it. However, random drug testing by the state upon a class of people would likely be struck down as unconstitutional.

Unconstitutional in what way ? There are income restrictions on receiving benefits, convicted felons are not supposed to receive benefits, why not drug users ? And if they're given the option of treatment or benefits, that seems like a personal choice.
 
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I'm furious! I live and work in LA and I think the welfare recipients should have to be subjected to random drug tests. I work with some of these people and there is cause for concern...don't even get me started....(I'm going to e-mail my representatives about this!)

Did you see the article from NO about the 25yo dude who was receiving $156,000 in govt. benefits every year to cover him and his 9 kids (3 sons and 6 daughters) ? (he was gunned down in the projects late one evening) He had also been arrested on 3 separate 1st degree murder charges starting at age 14, but with the 12% murder conviction rate in NO, he was never convicted as a felon to lose his benefits. It's a swell system.
 
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hazmat wrote :
The Louisiana state legislature passed a measure recently to randomly drug test (up to 20%) of welfare recipients. It was shot down by the state senate.

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In the words of the Great William Shakespeare....that sucks.
 
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Haz, the plan makes too much sense. That's why it won't go.
 
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On Tuesday last week, a 7 month old came into the ER. I was not in the ER, I was up on an ortho/med/surg floor but a classmate was in the ER. The infant arrived by ambulance, the mother arrived about 90 minutes later - no explanation- she had a car. The child has a swallowing disorder and has a feeding tube (PEG) in his stomach in order to have nutrition. The mother has not been taking care of the child's mucus suctioning and he was drowning. His respirations were ... 6. She suctioned 300 milliliters of mucus out of this child's lungs. The mother was more concerned about getting to the cafeteria and getting something to eat. The child was taken by helicopter to Arnold Palmer Hospital - the mother was more concerned about some coffee. We aren't privy to the social part of the equation - but I hope to whatever force of good there is that someone is going to make this welfare mother pee in a cup and take her child from her - get her some counseling and teaching or something - I will never know if that child survived but it was not looking good.
 
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On Tuesday last week, a 7 month old came into the ER. I was not in the ER, I was up on an ortho/med/surg floor but a classmate was in the ER. The infant arrived by ambulance, the mother arrived about 90 minutes later - no explanation- she had a car. The child has a swallowing disorder and has a feeding tube (PEG) in his stomach in order to have nutrition. The mother has not been taking care of the child's mucus suctioning and he was drowning. His respirations were ... 6. She suctioned 300 milliliters of mucus out of this child's lungs. The mother was more concerned about getting to the cafeteria and getting something to eat. The child was taken by helicopter to Arnold Palmer Hospital - the mother was more concerned about some coffee. We aren't privy to the social part of the equation - but I hope to whatever force of good there is that someone is going to make this welfare mother pee in a cup and take her child from her - get her some counseling and teaching or something - I will never know if that child survived but it was not looking good.

You'd be amazed...stunned actually...at how many times we respond to minor medical calls with several cars in the driveway, yet the people choose to use the $600 ambulance ride because they can dump the cost on Medicaid (taxpayers).

And if anyone thinks that ambulance ride will get you treated in the ER any sooner, get that out of your head. You'll just be stuck waiting somewhere else unless it's a true emergency.
 
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