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landstar59 is offline landstar59 Post #11  June 13,2010, 5:37pm
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Did you see the article from NO about the 25yo dude who was receiving $156,000 in govt. benefits every year to cover him and his 9 kids (3 sons and 6 daughters) ? (he was gunned down in the projects late one evening) He had also been arrested on 3 separate 1st degree murder charges starting at age 14, but with the 12% murder conviction rate in NO, he was never convicted as a felon to lose his benefits. It's a swell system.
I certainly did and I was flabbergasted. I think the headline of the obituary read Entrepreneur Dies. Is that funny or what? We are in a sad state. His kids are probably still receiving the money from social security given he was such a hard worker.
 
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You'd be amazed...stunned actually...at how many times we respond to minor medical calls with several cars in the driveway, yet the people choose to use the $600 ambulance ride because they can dump the cost on Medicaid (taxpayers).

And if anyone thinks that ambulance ride will get you treated in the ER any sooner, get that out of your head. You'll just be stuck waiting somewhere else unless it's a true emergency.
I hear about that all the time from the class of people I have to work with. One gal was pregnant and since she did not own a vehicle she was planning on calling an ambulance to pick her up when she went into labor. I say...call a relative or someone you know with a car, or better yet start walking....might make the labor go more quickly. I know I sound heartless, but if you could hear and see what I do on a daily basis it starts to harden you to their plight, especially when you are blamed for their plight.
 
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zal is offline zal Post #13  June 14,2010, 3:17pm
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Unconstitutional in what way ? There are income restrictions on receiving benefits, convicted felons are not supposed to receive benefits, why not drug users ? And if they're given the option of treatment or benefits, that seems like a personal choice.
The Constitutionality problem is with the "random" testing. 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure. The issue is whether randomly testing welfare recipients for drug use would be an unreasonable search of the person. There's also the issue of racial profiling, since a disproportionate number of welfare recipients are minorities. Constitutionally, there'd probably be no problem withdrawing benefits for someone convicted of a drug offense, but subjecting citizens to random drug tests by the government in order receive benefits is problematic, especially if the tests are only going to be conducted on a small percentage of recipients.
 
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The Constitutionality problem is with the "random" testing. 4th Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure. The issue is whether randomly testing welfare recipients for drug use would be an unreasonable search of the person. There's also the issue of racial profiling, since a disproportionate number of welfare recipients are minorities. Constitutionally, there'd probably be no problem withdrawing benefits for someone convicted of a drug offense, but subjecting citizens to random drug tests by the government in order receive benefits is problematic, especially if the tests are only going to be conducted on a small percentage of recipients.

It's still no different than the random drug tests given by any employer. If they can place other requirements and restrictions on receiving benefits, what's one more ?
 
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landstar59 wrote :
I hear about that all the time from the class of people I have to work with. One gal was pregnant and since she did not own a vehicle she was planning on calling an ambulance to pick her up when she went into labor. I say...call a relative or someone you know with a car, or better yet start walking....might make the labor go more quickly. I know I sound heartless, but if you could hear and see what I do on a daily basis it starts to harden you to their plight, especially when you are blamed for their plight.

Trust me, I see it every day too. If the general public really understood how their tax money was being spent, they'd be truly sickened.
 
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The Louisiana state legislature passed a measure recently to randomly drug test (up to 20%) of welfare recipients. It was shot down by the state senate.

I find it insane that workers/taxpayers in almost any workplace are subject to random drug tests to keep our jobs, yet those receiving the charity from our hard work are under no such obligation.

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I think if they're going to make people pee in a cup to keep their jobs, then they damn well better make welfare recipients do the same thing for taking my hard earned cash and doing nothing (as many of them do).

I KNOW some people use welfare for legitimate reasons, okay? I know. My mother was one of those people when we were kids. But I bet I could take 50 random welfare recipients, put them in a small room, toss a stone, and not hit one of the few people in that sample who was actually doing everything by the book and using the system exactly the way it is intended to be used.

It sickens me to see how children are treated (and continually popped out) by many of the people who receive welfare, too. The people who use this money for anything but food, clothing, and shelter for their families--I see it at work all the time. It's a shame that accountability has gone the way of character, morals, integrity, etc.
 
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I say they have to have a clean test each week before they get paid.

forget random- test them all.

I also think that in order to recieve benefits, women have to be on birth control.

I also think that they should be put to work. have them sweep streets, paint buildings, pick up litter, and work in daycares for the people on cleanup. whatever.
 
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On Tuesday last week, a 7 month old came into the ER. I was not in the ER, I was up on an ortho/med/surg floor but a classmate was in the ER. The infant arrived by ambulance, the mother arrived about 90 minutes later - no explanation- she had a car. The child has a swallowing disorder and has a feeding tube (PEG) in his stomach in order to have nutrition. The mother has not been taking care of the child's mucus suctioning and he was drowning. His respirations were ... 6. She suctioned 300 milliliters of mucus out of this child's lungs. The mother was more concerned about getting to the cafeteria and getting something to eat. The child was taken by helicopter to Arnold Palmer Hospital - the mother was more concerned about some coffee. We aren't privy to the social part of the equation - but I hope to whatever force of good there is that someone is going to make this welfare mother pee in a cup and take her child from her - get her some counseling and teaching or something - I will never know if that child survived but it was not looking good.

People (parents) such as these absolutely DISGUST me! Sad fact is, this kind our mis-treatment goes more than we know. If Obama wants to throw money at something REALLY worthwhile, it should be Child Protective Services (CPS), to try to stop this unspeakable parental behavior whenever possible!
 
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hazmat wrote :
The Louisiana state legislature passed a measure recently to randomly drug test (up to 20%) of welfare recipients. It was shot down by the state senate.

I find it insane that workers/taxpayers in almost any workplace are subject to random drug tests to keep our jobs, yet those receiving the charity from our hard work are under no such obligation.

What do you think ?
What is of concern to me is that our money is basically being stolen from us (though 'legitimized' because it is the government doing it) to be given to someone else. Personally, I don't care much to debate who and under what conditions this money is given to other people. Similar to how I wouldn't be concerned with debating legislation regarding the subsequent transfer of ownership of stolen cars, tv's etc. after they have been stolen. Such debates to me seem counterproductive and even serve to legitimize the theft.
 
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zal is offline zal Post #20  June 17,2010, 12:24pm
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It's still no different than the random drug tests given by any employer. If they can place other requirements and restrictions on receiving benefits, what's one more ?
The Constitution doesn't apply to corporations.
 
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