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bigfincat is offline bigfincat Post #41  April 29,2010, 6:41pm
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Quess we'll see how it all pans out. I think for the most part, I am only reading people who are in agreement with this action.

Jayjay, that is my take on this. It is a bill to allow the state to do the border patrols job.
I don't have a problem with any local law enforcement cracking down on illegal immigration.

I do have a problem with those in the political realm putting on a show that is completely unnecessary.
 
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bigfincat wrote :
I don't have a problem with any local law enforcement cracking down on illegal immigration.

I do have a problem with those in the political realm putting on a show that is completely unnecessary.
LOL. Me too. That is what politicians do. They all have got to go........
 
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tweet37 is offline tweet37 Post #43  April 30,2010, 2:58am
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I looked up the actual bill and read it and think zal explains it well. I don't see why anyone would be against it....unless they're in our country illegally.
 
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jayjay is offline jayjay Post #44  April 30,2010, 5:35am
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I looked up the actual bill and read it and think zal explains it well. I don't see why anyone would be against it....unless they're in our country illegally.
There are a lot of people in this country who are against anything that would hinder the ability of people from Mexico to freely enter and live in the U.S. Some are motivated by 'being nice' and wanting to do what feels good (but without thinking about the consequences of what they support). Others are politically motivated and think they can eventually claim these immigrants as political supporters. They'll almost always give reasons other than these that sound more legitimate....but these seem to be generally underlying motivations.

I'm sympathetic and understand why people from Mexico would want to live here....but we simply can't have an open border. Also, there are millions of people in Mexico and other countries who are following the law, waiting and hoping that they'll be given a VISA to enter the U.S. Not enforcing immigration policy is unfair to them.

When talking about an amnesty policy politicians generally claim it includes people who get amnesty 'going to the end of the line'. Well, the 'end of the line' are people who live in Mexico and across the world who will never get VISAs because the line is too long.
 
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zal is offline zal Post #45  April 30,2010, 9:22am
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I have a solution that I think would solve both the US and Mexico's problems. The poor economic conditions in Mexico are caused by its governmental system. The system is highly corrupt. The rich are able to maintain their standard of living while the poor have no opportunity to improve their lives. The corruption fosters a thriving and extremely violent narcotics trade which wreaks havoc on Mexico and threatens the US as well. The Mexican government has proven itself to be unwilling or unable to provide for the welfare of its citizens.

My solution: The US can annex Mexico. Each Mexican state would automatically become a state of the US. Its population would immediately become US citizens and be subject to all the benefits and responsibilites of US citizenship. The US would benefit by gaining a large, hard working population as well as substantial oil fields which are currently being run very inefficiently. Mexicans would benefit by having the full faith and credit of the US government as well as a stable relatively honest system. Of course problems of language and other issues would need to be worked out.

(This may be more appropriate as a separate thread, but while we are on the subject, I thought I'd throw this out there)
 
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I very much enjoy the Mexican people, culture, food and country. I really hope to see a very close and friendly relationship growing between our countries and people in the future.

Zal, I've considered that idea before, as unlikely as it is. Personally, I'm hoping that in the future Mexico will realize that a way to generate a massive influx of capital into their country is to make the political and economic systems highly attractive to Americans (both individuals and businesses) looking for a place to live with lower levels of taxation. I know....I like to dream.
 
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zal wrote :
I have a solution that I think would solve both the US and Mexico's problems. The poor economic conditions in Mexico are caused by its governmental system. The system is highly corrupt. The rich are able to maintain their standard of living while the poor have no opportunity to improve their lives. The corruption fosters a thriving and extremely violent narcotics trade which wreaks havoc on Mexico and threatens the US as well. The Mexican government has proven itself to be unwilling or unable to provide for the welfare of its citizens.

My solution: The US can annex Mexico. Each Mexican state would automatically become a state of the US. Its population would immediately become US citizens and be subject to all the benefits and responsibilites of US citizenship. The US would benefit by gaining a large, hard working population as well as substantial oil fields which are currently being run very inefficiently. Mexicans would benefit by having the full faith and credit of the US government as well as a stable relatively honest system. Of course problems of language and other issues would need to be worked out.

(This may be more appropriate as a separate thread, but while we are on the subject, I thought I'd throw this out there)
Then we'd have to be officially a bilingual country. How do you think that would go over?
 
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I looked up the actual bill and read it and think zal explains it well. I don't see why anyone would be against it....unless they're in our country illegally.
zal does explain it well, but IMHO supporters of the bill underplay the opportunity for profiling and abuse. That's my primary objection.

Let's face it: since it's such a controversial measure, Arizona will be under great pressure to be able to demonstrate that the legislation is working to reduce illegal immigration. On the other hand, the police will also be under tremendous scrutiny from civil rights groups that oppose it, and the statistics on their traffic and other stops will be analyzed relentlessly. If "profiling" trends appear, you can guarantee that there will be additional lawsuits.

Now that I think about it, that's a thankless position for any police force to be in. . . .
 
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Then we'd have to be officially a bilingual country. How do you think that would go over?
Me gusta. jaja
 
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zal does explain it well, but IMHO supporters of the bill underplay the opportunity for profiling and abuse. That's my primary objection.

Let's face it: since it's such a controversial measure, Arizona will be under great pressure to be able to demonstrate that the legislation is working to reduce illegal immigration. On the other hand, the police will also be under tremendous scrutiny from civil rights groups that oppose it, and the statistics on their traffic and other stops will be analyzed relentlessly. If "profiling" trends appear, you can guarantee that there will be additional lawsuits.

Now that I think about it, that's a thankless position for any police force to be in. . . .
I'm in agreement that abuses such as law enforcement simply grabbing certain people for no other reason than how they look or speak and requiring anything of them (such as proof of status) should not be tolerated.
 
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