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Accused 9/11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed faces New York trial - CNN.com

Is there any hope for an impartial jury to be had in NYC for trails of 9/11 terrorists?
- November 13th, 2009, 11:33 am
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Probably as or more impartial than anywhere else in the USA really IMHO.
I don't think they can ask to change the venue to The Hague, so it is what it is.

Would surprise me them not asking for trial by judge only though. I assume that is permitted there?

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- November 13th, 2009, 11:52 am
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One word: NOPE!

Really...I highly doubt that they could find an impartial jury anywhere in the USA.

If anyone here has ever had the distinct honor to be chosen for jury service...you know all the initial questions they ask to weed out "unwanteds" There's no way in H E double hockey sticks that there is anyone in this country that doesn't have "prior" knowledge of the incident/reported purportraitor etc.....impossible I say!
- November 13th, 2009, 11:53 am
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You asked two questions.

Will the jury be impartial? No. And that's one of the the dangers. Will they get a fair trial? Probably. Hopefully they'll get what's coming to them. There's too many monkey wrenches thrown into the works here. Too many grounds for appeal, dismissal, motions to suppress evidence due to 'coersion', etc. Then at the end of a lengthy trial, if any are found not guilty because of one of the above technicalities, they're free to go....out into New York City. Bad move -- putting them on trial here.

You watch. These trials are going to drag on and on and cost millions and millions of dollars and will wind up inconclusive. Money we don't have. Then, by the remote chance they are found guilty of some capitol offense, what's the chance of any execution happening anytime soon? None. More money down the terlet holding them in prison indefinitely.

That's why they should be tried by military tribunal. Done and case closed. Boom.

Bad move by Obama & Co.
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- November 14th, 2009, 09:12 am
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I think these defendants will get defense counsel far better than all but the richest citizens get.

For every American who hates "foriegn terrorists" there is one who hates the unjust detentions and doesn't trust the government, so that could go either way.
- November 15th, 2009, 07:00 pm
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You mean compared to what an American would get in one of their home countries for doing anything remotely like that?

I'd say so.
- November 15th, 2009, 08:04 pm
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Is that post poking at me?

Seriously?! The US has imprisioned, for closing in on a decade now, hundreds of people, with out legal justification.

I would rather see some bad people escape justice than an innocent person suffer. Especially given the precipice the US stands on in the eyes of the world.

Like him or not, Obama had an opportune moment to recast US policy in global perception, and is failing ...

If there is one thing the US should do, it is to treat everyone as entitled to a fair, unbiased, unemotional, standing under a law which recognized their human dignity.

We have failed at that so far, to our dishonor and, I fear, ultimate detriment.
- November 15th, 2009, 08:14 pm
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Wasn't poking. Was just stating my opinion.

Yes, we frequently fall short. Yes, we do a lot of things that I disagree with.

Still, they are more likely to get a fair trial here than someone from the U.S. would in their country. That's the only point I was making. As you pointed out, they will have the best defense available.
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It doesn't matter, they are only being put on trial because the evidence has them dead to rights. You have noticed only four are being put on trial right? The rest of them would have a chance of getting off so no way in heck they will be tried.

So far as fair goes they would have just a good a chance as anyone else and that is really all they deserve.
- November 16th, 2009, 09:59 am
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D_Lion wrote :
Is that post poking at me?

Seriously?! The US has imprisioned, for closing in on a decade now, hundreds of people, with out legal justification.

I would rather see some bad people escape justice than an innocent person suffer. Especially given the precipice the US stands on in the eyes of the world.

Like him or not, Obama had an opportune moment to recast US policy in global perception, and is failing ...

If there is one thing the US should do, it is to treat everyone as entitled to a fair, unbiased, unemotional, standing under a law which recognized their human dignity.

We have failed at that so far, to our dishonor and, I fear, ultimate detriment.
One of the squicky problems they have is the confidentiality of the evidence. There are lot of them being held only because there cannot be a trial. Think about the security level needed. Can you imagine giving that level of a security clearance to enough people to create a potential jury pool? Then picking the jury. You would most likely have to reuse people to get the whole lot tried. No way in hell anyone would consider than impartial. So then what to do?
- November 16th, 2009, 10:04 am
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