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Can_I_just_be_Jo wrote :
One of the squicky problems they have is the confidentiality of the evidence. There are lot of them being held only because there cannot be a trial. Think about the security level needed. Can you imagine giving that level of a security clearance to enough people to create a potential jury pool? Then picking the jury. You would most likely have to reuse people to get the whole lot tried. No way in hell anyone would consider than impartial. So then what to do?

I don't agree with this.

Evidence is not shown to jury callees until trial, just vague sort of establishmnet that the potential jurers may be involved in, or know, any of the parties. That hurdle is easy to meet.

The problem is the government surely wants to keep its evidence secret - which I consider to be a constitutional violation.

I do not personally accept a lame, unspecified, danger to "security" to justify trials with concealed evidence or by secret juries.

Me - the US taxpayer - is entitled to all evidence in existance, to all matters related to 9/11 and to a full accounting of where, how, and why trillions of dollars of my money is spent.

This embarrasment has gone on too long, and too expensively, already.
- November 16th, 2009, 05:26 pm
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D_Lion wrote :

The problem is the government surely wants to keep its evidence secret - which I consider to be a constitutional violation.
D_L, why should foreign nationals held abroad be entitled to protection under the U.S. Constitution? That's one of the reasons why these cases are complicated.

I doubt very much that the writers of the constitution intended to include foreigners in other countries the protections offered to "the people of the United States" by our constitution.

Bringing them to trial here only raises more issues like the one you're raising. That's why they shouldn't be tried here. Terrorists that have been captured on the battlefield and have been declared enemy combatants and held prisoner in Gitmo should be tried there under military tribunal.

There are no advantages to be had by the American people by trying them here in the U.S.
- November 17th, 2009, 05:41 am
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I think how the US treats people, regardless of where or on what legitimacy we captured them, matters profoundly to the motivation of terrorism in the first place.

This, like investing in advertising or product quality, is a payoff that needs to be taken on faith, and then checked over time.

I just think terror is less than a nuisance: consider that, taking into account only one decade, the terror fatalities are 300 / year. Compared to 800 k heart desiese, 450 k cancer, 250 - 500 k obesity ...

Where is the problem (that I have paid 3 trillion for)?

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Where will we be in another decade? Still in ... wherever ... 10 k US troops killed, 100 k with various injurys or trauma, 1 M foriegn persons killed, 10 T or more money wasted ... and the situation as it is today.
- November 17th, 2009, 05:26 pm
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D_Lion wrote :
I just think terror is less than a nuisance: consider that, taking into account only one decade, the terror fatalities are 300 / year. Compared to 800 k heart desiese, 450 k cancer, 250 - 500 k obesity ...

Where is the problem (that I have paid 3 trillion for)?

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Where will we be in another decade? Still in ... wherever ... 10 k US troops killed, 100 k with various injurys or trauma, 1 M foriegn persons killed, 10 T or more money wasted ... and the situation as it is today.
If we didn't take steps to counter terrorism do you think the fatalities would remain at the 300 / year that you cited? There has to be consequences or the problem will become rampant. It's just that so far the consequences are lacking for what seems to be politically correct reasons.

Which brings us back to the topic. Why should these people, with their twisted ideologies that promote and carry out wanton mass killings be afforded special rights and privileges for politically correct reasons? There is too much at risk to try them here in the U.S. and no advantage, except to them.

Terrorism is not a nuisance, it's a plague. Plagues need to be exterminated. Mercilessly. At whatever the cost or it will continue to be a waste of money.
- November 18th, 2009, 06:01 am
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Everyone deserves a fair trial.

As I've said elsewhere ... without this protection, none of us have any rights.
- November 18th, 2009, 05:32 pm
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Everyone deserves a fair trial.

As I've said elsewhere ... without this protection, none of us have any rights.
Agreed.
- November 18th, 2009, 06:42 pm
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I'm sorry, Tweet. I think this is trivial. I do not think they have the resources to ever be more than trivial, realative to other causes of death - such as eating and smoking too much (which I am sure will continue to be 1,000 times more deadly than terror for the balance of my lifetime.)

And, my point is still that treating these accused with humanity and dignity undermines their motivation.
- November 19th, 2009, 06:02 pm
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Plagues need to be exterminated. Mercilessly. At whatever the cost or it will continue to be a waste of money.
The wisest men to ever walk this Earth would say that the above statement is the cause of man's misery, not its salvation.
- November 20th, 2009, 12:24 am
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"The big threat to America is the way we react to terrorism by throwing away what everybody values about our country--a commitment to human rights. America is a great nation because we are a good nation. When we stop being a good nation, we stop being great." - BOBBY KENNEDY, O Magazine, Feb. 2007
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About a fair a trial as King Kong had at the top of the empire state building.
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