Why is Healthcare such a big deal anyway?

JCD: I know there was a political spectrum test link posted a while back on a different thread ... I recall that it had what appeared to be a glorified xy axis of sorts ... Is that similar to political compass? If so, I fell in the corner with the libertarian whackos (I say whackos with tongue firmly planted in cheek)

Yep, that's the one.

I very much doubt that it is, actually. I would be quite confident that it is the one produced and published by the dishonest "libertarians" themselves, in which anyone who believes in any kind of collective responsibility is defined as an authoritarian.

I have no idea who published ... All I recall is that people from all over the spectrum were taking it here on the boards and I don't recall anyone commenting that it misrepresented their views ... But it was roughly a year or more ago.


Sorry. Anyone who deliberately misrepresents what someone else says has committed the height of disrespect. And that is what Rand did to me. He excluded himself from civil discourse, and I'm done with him.

If you'd read your statement ... to the effect of Signa (incorrect spelling) has 31.2 empoloyees compared to Ontaio Health Plan at 1.2 ... You indicated that you thought the big reason was becuase Ontario didn't have to deal with arguments between doctors and insurers.

Rand himself said something about not caring what a woman does with her body. I would interpret this as meaning that he would vote for someone who shared his right-wing poltical/economic goals and at the same time opposed decriminalizing drug possession and advocated criminalizing abortion, for instance.

Where in my statement do you seee me advocating criminalizing abortions?? Reading comprehension issues, maybe? Let me spell it out a bit plainer ... I DON'T care what a woman does with her body ... If she wants to have abortions every year, then so be it ... I simply don't care ...

As far as voting goes ... I don't go with the lesser of two evils approach ... So, most right-wing-ers don't get my vote (seeing as how I have not looked at all of them, I can't say none would get my vote)

What this means is that Rand is not actually a libertarian in any meaningful sense. If my surmise is correct, he would sacrifice anyone else's personal liberty on the altar of his political/economic goals. Not caring about how someone else exercises their personal liberty while at the same time doing nothing to ensure that others are able to exercise their liberty as they see fit, in matters that are personal to them, is a very far cry from any genuine libertarianism. It's just abject right-wingery in feathers.

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I am not a liberal. I am left on economic matters and libertarian on matters of individual choice. Rand is right on economic matters and quite obviously not libertarian on matters of individual choice.

EVERYONE THAT IS A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY IS EQUAL UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES LEGISLATION TO FORCE PEOPLE TO TREAT EVERYONE WITH EQUAL RIGHTS EVEN THOSE WHO ARE POOR OR SUFFERING JOB LOSS DUE TO THE ECONOMY THAT WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE OF GREEDY BANKS AND WALLSTEET. IF EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD THE CONSTITUTION THEY WOULD NOT OPPOSE HEALTH CARE FOR MORE OF OUR CITIZENS. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE WITHOUT YOUR JOB AND HEALTH CARE OR YOU WERE DENIED COVERAGE BECAUSE OF A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION? TODAY WE MADE HISTORY- FINALLLY AFTER DECADES OF TRYING.

EVERYONE THAT IS A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY IS EQUAL UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION AND SOMETIMES IT TAKES LEGISLATION TO FORCE PEOPLE TO TREAT EVERYONE WITH EQUAL RIGHTS EVEN THOSE WHO ARE POOR OR SUFFERING JOB LOSS DUE TO THE ECONOMY THAT WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE OF GREEDY BANKS AND WALLSTEET. IF EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD THE CONSTITUTION THEY WOULD NOT OPPOSE HEALTH CARE FOR MORE OF OUR CITIZENS. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE WITHOUT YOUR JOB AND HEALTH CARE OR YOU WERE DENIED COVERAGE BECAUSE OF A PRE-EXISTING CONDITION? TODAY WE MADE HISTORY- FINALLLY AFTER DECADES OF TRYING.