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Perhaps some workers whose pensions, previously earned and stolen in an exotic financial restructuring by rich people, decide to get even.

Assuming you’re a hard-working normal person, what would you do?

Assuming you’re a rich plutocrat, what would you fear?
- October 6th, 2009, 07:28 pm
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Stock up on ammo.

"lawyers, guns and money"
- October 6th, 2009, 08:00 pm
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D_Lion wrote :
Perhaps some workers whose pensions, previously earned and stolen in an exotic financial restructuring by rich people, decide to get even.

Assuming you’re a hard-working normal person, what would you do?

Assuming you’re a rich plutocrat, what would you fear?
Assuming you’re a hard-working normal person, what would you do?

~ Leave for the week and go someplace away from people. My work is all about laws and regulations. It would be impossible. Plus, I like having boundaries - some are okay to push and others are not.


Assuming you’re a rich plutocrat, what would you fear

~ Loss of identity, value and life.
- October 7th, 2009, 04:41 am
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Hard worker: I would steal all the cash and gold (in case everyone else stole cash and made it completely worthless) I could in a week.

Rich: I would get all my cash and gold and leave the country immediately in my jet. (Too many bums that would try to get what I had earned.) lol
- October 7th, 2009, 05:50 am
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I'd head out to the country for a week with my family and pets, let the city people riot and do their looting.

I doubt anyone'd haul off my woodworking tools, or mess around with the kid's stuff, which is about all I'd worry about anyway. You can have the rest.

We'd have a quiet, week-long campout, and then come home and clean up the mess.

Or, maybe we wouldn't come back at all.


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- October 7th, 2009, 08:33 am
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Why do we assume laws cause people to do the right thing?

There's plenty of criminals out there who couldn't give a crap about the law. I know I personally wouldn't change my behavior other than probably driving with the flow of traffic in California rather than putting everyone's safety at risk driving too slow.

Tacitus said in the first century Roman Empire "The more corrupt the state, the more laws." While getting rid of all laws would be bad I think getting rid of most laws wouldn't be that big of a deal, especially ones that make little sense (like shutting down a child's lemonade stand in California for operating without a permit, or being illegal for women to fall asleep under a hair dryer in a salon in Florida). What ever would we do without these laws preventing such horrid behavior? P.S. In Florida it's also considered an offense to shower naked. You read that right. I broke that law every day. Quite often twice!

So do we really believe it's only the just word of the law that's preventing people from stealing, murdering, and having sexual relations with porcupines (another Florida law)? And is that law actually protecting us?

I hope there's a bit more to it. So what would I do for that week? I would probably download as many pirated movies as I possibly could. Oh, wait. I download movies anyway. Arrest me!

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- October 7th, 2009, 09:50 am
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Jacquesne wrote :
Why do we assume laws cause people to do the right thing?

There's plenty of criminals out there who couldn't give a crap about the law. I know I personally wouldn't change my behavior other than probably driving with the flow of traffic in California rather than putting everyone's safety at risk driving too slow.

Tacitus said in the first century Roman Empire "The more corrupt the state, the more laws." While getting rid of all laws would be bad I think getting rid of most laws wouldn't be that big of a deal, especially ones that make little sense (like shutting down a child's lemonade stand in California for operating without a permit, or being illegal for women to fall asleep under a hair dryer in a salon in Florida). What ever would we do without these laws preventing such horrid behavior? P.S. In Florida it's also considered an offense to shower naked. You read that right. I broke that law every day. Quite often twice!

So do we really believe it's only the just word of the law that's preventing people from stealing, murdering, and having sexual relations with porcupines (another Florida law)? And is that law actually protecting us?

I hope there's a bit more to it. So what would I do for that week? I would probably download as many pirated movies as I possibly could. Oh, wait. I download movies anyway. Arrest me!

Jacquesne
I think the assumption is there because if not the law, certainly the potential penalties if caught give us pause for thought. People who break the law may not particularly care for that law, but sometimes they do care about what it means to them if caught. Else they would not be lying left, right and centre.

If you break a law, any law, doesn't that make you a criminal? Or are you only a criminal when you are caught and punished? Or you happen to agree with the viewpoint of law enforcement that you are a criminal?

(With my use of 'you' I do not mean you personally Jacquesne)
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- October 8th, 2009, 05:48 am
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I would rent a boat the day before, pack up the boat with enough supplies to last me and everyone that comes with me until the week is up ... Then I'd go sailing for a week ...

Laws don't prevent me from commiting crimes ... Taking what does not belong to me is wrong, I will not knowingly (or at least try my darndest) do what is wrong for any reason.

I think it is a sad state of affairs that we have to have laws to protect people from being killed ... That we need to have laws to prevent the theft of another's property ...
- October 8th, 2009, 09:48 am
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It's not like getting rid of laws gets rid of locks, guns, or baseball bats. While a lock isn't really a "consequence" a gunshot wound to the chest (or two, or three) is probably more of a deterrent than our current law system. Heck I'd be more willing to rob someone now...I could always get hurt in their house and at least win some money in a lawsuit (and if that isn't criminal I don't know what is).

Think about it; sure, you have less consequence involved with harming other people or taking their property but they also have less consequence in defending themselves and their property. The "wild west" had laws that were barely held up at best but you didn't see everyone out there turning to thievery and murder. And this was among mostly men with not enough women around...which makes dudes more likely to do stupid stuff like steal and kill.

Either way humans in general create codes of behavior in their societies. The most "primitive" civilizations and tribes still work on a system of conduct which generally follows some basic rules like no killing, stealing, raping, etc. Those wild west towns, even with the government far away, still created a mayorship and had a sheriff.

Humans crave stability in their society, for the most part, and even if you take away the pieces of paper our states and nation use to say what behavior is OK and what isn't people are still going to develop a basic "law" of their own. We don't just become savages because someone says all the laws are gone. Even in Lord of the Flies (a work of fiction) the children started off creating a hierarchy and some basic rules even if they ended up straying from it.

I just don't think lack of laws is a "run for the hills!" scenario. For me it would be a blank slate where we could actually develop some rules based on a bit of common sense rather than ridiculous and outdated ideas still on our rulebooks (like death by hanging for horse theft still in effect in Florida law).

But hey, if you all want to run to the hills I'll clear out Wal-Mart while you're gone .

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- October 8th, 2009, 10:06 pm
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I think we saw what would happen if we did that, after Katrina hit. I'll just be running along to the ammo store
- October 26th, 2009, 06:54 pm
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