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jtkdp is offline jtkdp Post #1  September 19,2009, 3:16pm
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I'm not sure if this question has been asked before, but here it is people, tell me who you think is the worst president the United States has ever had. When you do please give a specific reason or reasons, and mention your age group, political leaning, and political party.

I'll go first...

I think Jimmy Carter is the worst president we've ever had, because of his gross mis-handling of the Iran hostage crisis, and the economy in the late 70s. He gets extra demerits for arm chair quarterbacking the presidents that followed him, I mean, if he knows so much, why didn't he take action when he was in office, he had 4 years to be a hero to us all.

I'm not saying anything about his character, he seems to be a decent human being, he's just a very weak leader.
 
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hazmat is offline hazmat Post #2  September 19,2009, 5:15pm
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I agree, Jimmy Carter. I'm a moderate Republican, but i'd vote for a moderate Democrat if I thought he/she would do the right things.
Carter was awful for the reasons you listed, plus the fact that he travels the globe at will, kissing the butt of any dictator he can find. Now he's making stupid statements about race, statements that can't be supported by fact and only cause division.

And lest we forget how he emasculated our military...good thing RR came next.
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Whoops, my bad, I should add that I'm in my mid 40s, a registered independent, and I consider myself a moderate.
 
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Very, very late 30s (I'm going to say for as long as I can!), registered democrat when I was 18, but since we don't have different ballots for different parties in Ohio, I never bothered to change that status. I'm actually a libertarian, but since they don't tend to make it to the big elections, I usually end up voting republican. I also tend to be conservative.

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I have to agree with both of you--Jimmy Carter by far has been our worst president, and I think you pretty much covered the reasons for it. He's also the president that won't go away. He's still meddling today, and I don't know why he feels anything he does will be beneficial in any way. It makes me wonder if he really thinks he's a great diplomat, or if he's trying to correct the wrongs from his presidency in his mind.

An aside...anyone remember Billy Beer?
 
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I would rank any of these Presidents as worse then Carter:

James Buchanan: His contempt for abolitionists and refusal to deal with the slavery issue made the Civil War inevitable.
Herbert Hoover: Believed federal relief led to corruption, and therefore refused to provide any aid at all when the Great Depression drove millions into poverty and starvation.
Richard Nixon: Expanded Vietnam War into Cambodia, taped journalists’ and politicians’ phone conversations, sabotaged opponents and didn’t pay his taxes.
George W. Bush: Misled the nation into a disastrous war, fumbled a horrific national disaster, authorized secret wiretaps on civilians, and pissed off the rest of the world.
 
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CJF wrote :
I would rank any of these Presidents as worse then Carter:

James Buchanan: His contempt for abolitionists and refusal to deal with the slavery issue made the Civil War inevitable.
Herbert Hoover: Believed federal relief led to corruption, and therefore refused to provide any aid at all when the Great Depression drove millions into poverty and starvation.
Richard Nixon: Expanded Vietnam War into Cambodia, taped journalists’ and politicians’ phone conversations, sabotaged opponents and didn’t pay his taxes.
George W. Bush: Misled the nation into a disastrous war, fumbled a horrific national disaster, authorized secret wiretaps on civilians, and pissed off the rest of the world.


Hoover was right, federal relief does lead to corruption. Look at the billions stolen after Katrina and 9/11.
 
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hazmat wrote :
Hoover was right, federal relief does lead to corruption. Look at the billions stolen after Katrina and 9/11.
I thought we were talking about during his Presidency. Millions of people starved during the Great Depression because there was no funding to help them.
 
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ming_on_mongo is offline ming_on_mongo Post #8  September 20,2009, 10:12pm
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60-something, Independent/Progressive:

Geez, is there really any doubt?! "Dubya" (a.k.a. "the Decider") has to be the worst, even despite a fanatical minority of Right Wing "true believers" trying to re-write history or pretend he never existed (so much for the party of "personal responsibility"! ). So now black is white, and up is down!

This country will still be digging itself out of the Bush Administration's malfeasance & incompetence for years to come ("Mission accomplished, Great job, Georgie!"). Besides all the reasons already mentioned, let's not forget the divisive "culture wars" ("I'm a uniter not a divider!"), turning traditional GOP moderation into a refuge for bigoted nut-jobs, Abu Graib & all the depravity of torture (giving a worldwide boost to terrorist recruiting), cravenly ignoring the constitutional separation of church & state, and inheriting a record $236 billion surplus from Clinton, yet leaving with a deficit of over a trillion dollars. There are so many more, but let's not forget the biggest.... 9/11 (arguably the country's worst tragedy), which happened on his watch, despite graphic intelligence warnings he ignored!!

Oh yeah, and "Osama Bin Laden" (remember him...?)!
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Late 30s, Conservative, white male (aka, I'm a raging right-wing neo-bigot). I'm from Texas, too, which I suppose means I have a tree out back, know what I mean, hyut hyut hyut.

FDR and Clinton come to mind, both Socialists.

FDR did a lot of horrible things during the GD. I kinda wish I'd been alive to see what really happened, but all I have are the history books, which get re-written every couple of years.

I recall FDR slaughtering pigs to drive up the price of pork.

The Hog Reduction Program of the AAA

I also know that any guy who'd risk full-on dictatorship against the American people, by ignoring Washington's precedent of two terms and no more, and implement government control over so much of our industry, and who was such a glaring master at manipulating our media into the propaganda machine it is today, is someone who had some bad things on his mind. He ran a near totalorarian government, backed by a rising media propaganda engine, and socialized a good part of our soil.

And Obama's playing right from the FDR handbook.

Clinton, well, I blame him entirely for this economic mess we're in. Last time the Dems controlled all three houses, they passed all that sub-prime stuff, which weakened the banks enough that the media (as FDR taught us) could press us into a near-collapse last year, catapult the Dems into office via panic-votes, and then O could sweep in and take over our financial institutions with the Fed. As a bonus, the government and the unions now own our auto industry.

Thanks, Clinton! One small step for a man, one huge step for Socialism.

I'd keep the arguments relative to the 20th/21st centuries. No sense going back to the Civil War to look for bad presidents. The history books are so cluttered by now that who in h.ell knows what really happened back then.


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FDR. I'm not allowed to post my response, as the mods don't think it's appropriate. It may or may not show up one day.


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