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Okay...I know we all have seen the speech or some form of it today.

What are your thoughts? Did he satisfactorily clarify how health care reform would be paid for? What are your thoughts about the heckler from S. Carolina?

I do not think he effectively explained how the health care reform would be paid for...nor do I think he solved the issue of public choice.

I mean, the Feds have three gov't controlled health care programs (VA, Medicare, Medicaid) and they all seem to be mess. So I really don't have much faith that any 'new' government controlled health care program would work...but that is my opinion.

...but the heckler...that is a different story. I think that there should be some decorum and a modicum of respect for the President, no matter how much one disagrees with a President's policies.

IMO, Wilson was an embarrassment to all Republicans. ...and the apology is a little too late. If they want us to be civil, why should we if our own representatives can't control their emotions?

I saw Republicans playing with their Blackberry's and basically ignoring the President. I am not a Democrat but still consider that behavior rude. ..as McCain and several other Republicans agreed.

As O'Reilly would say..."What say you?"
- September 10th, 2009, 03:46 pm
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First, I totally agree that Wilson was disrespectful, rude and grossly unprofessional. Bohner and the rest of the Repubs should let him hear about it. This isn't the British Parliament. (Have you ever seen clips of that?)

And the only way to pay for this plan is new taxes. Anyone who claims it will be paid for by other budget cuts is delusional.
- September 10th, 2009, 03:58 pm
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He didn't explain enough...like always hopeful wishes.

I'll give two examples...he said that he won't let any bureaucrats get in the way of the care we need but, of course, didn't tell us *how* he plans to do this. You can wish all you want, but I don't think the President is powerful enough to fix every bureaucratic problem with 300 million plus people.

Then he said he'd take from the "waste" NOW in government medical programs. Interesting...if there is waste now why wasn't it taken care of before? And what will be magically different now that this "waste" will all of the sudden disappear? Maybe the "waste" is giving a new hip to an 85 year old and passing the money to the youth!

And finally, the illegal issue. The Latino caucus said "we will not vote for your plan unless you include illegals". So they made a deal. Obama said he'd make the plan off limits to illegas but quietly not enforce it...thus the Latino lobby gets what they want and we are lied to.

I usually do not like rude behavior, but in this case, I am glad this congressman spoke up...after all Obama said "we'll call you on your inaccuracies"...we'll this congressman was calling Obama on his!

In short...the Democrats are way to idealistic and think they can magically change economics, human behavior with a magic wand. But they can't and even though I think we need reform, I don't trust they are smart or street smart enough to do it correctly.

I am really part of the "third solution"...Dr. Andrew Weil, Ornish and Mackey. I am in that camp.
- September 10th, 2009, 04:19 pm
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Wilson's outburst was unusual, but it shows just how much of a wedge there is under Obama.

Our old Dallas Mayor, Ron Kirk, watched Obama's student speech from Booker T. here in Dallas. He said he was embarrassed to be from Texas, the way we were handling Obama's school-day speech.

Obama has alienated, ridiculed, and humiliated the right. They (we) are frustrated, and subject to daily media heckling that makes Wilson's outburst seem like a whisper.

We're the butt of all of Obama's speeches. He's not a very nice speaker, if you're on the right. His insults are quiet, but deep.

Somehow, it's the right's fault, whatever "it" is. Somehow, we've become neo-N.zis.

Was Wilson's outburst wrong? Sure.

Were the Pubs disrespectful? Yes, but no more than were the Dems to Bush.

Was Wilson's outburst a sign of how divided America is under Obama? Absolutely.

We are two America's, now, divisible, two nations under two Gods. We'll need to change that part in our pledge before long.

As for public health care, you have to ask yourself ~why~ do dems & liberals want it so bad? It's not because they're philanthropists.


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- September 10th, 2009, 04:26 pm
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I am offended that he apologized.
- September 10th, 2009, 04:34 pm
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dito wrote :
I am offended that he apologized.
As a fellow conservative Republican...somehow I thought you would be!
- September 10th, 2009, 04:44 pm
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For the interjection by Wilson, it was uncalled for ... It was poor timing ... If he wanted to give an interview and refer to that statement as a lie, that is fine.

As far as the Obama plan goes ... I sincerely pray it continues to flounder until it democratic suporters are voted out of office in 2010.

What really is funny is this ... If only 5% of people are expected to go onto the public plan ... What plan will 'public servants' have'? I am very sure that the number of people operating in the armed forces + state/federal government exceeds 5% by a fair margin ...
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HappyandLight wrote :
He didn't explain enough...like always hopeful wishes.

I'll give two examples...he said that he won't let any bureaucrats get in the way of the care we need but, of course, didn't tell us *how* he plans to do this. You can wish all you want, but I don't think the President is powerful enough to fix every bureaucratic problem with 300 million plus people.

Then he said he'd take from the "waste" NOW in government medical programs. Interesting...if there is waste now why wasn't it taken care of before? And what will be magically different now that this "waste" will all of the sudden disappear? Maybe the "waste" is giving a new hip to an 85 year old and passing the money to the youth!

And finally, the illegal issue. The Latino caucus said "we will not vote for your plan unless you include illegals". So they made a deal. Obama said he'd make the plan off limits to illegas but quietly not enforce it...thus the Latino lobby gets what they want and we are lied to.

I usually do not like rude behavior, but in this case, I am glad this congressman spoke up...after all Obama said "we'll call you on your inaccuracies"...we'll this congressman was calling Obama on his!

In short...the Democrats are way to idealistic and think they can magically change economics, human behavior with a magic wand. But they can't and even though I think we need reform, I don't trust they are smart or street smart enough to do it correctly.

I am really part of the "third solution"...Dr. Andrew Weil, Ornish and Mackey. I am in that camp.
As a conservative Republican I can see your point.

But as a parent, and middle-school Social studies teacher, I was hard-pressed to explain how I expect my students (and children) to have some sense of civility when my own party is so way off the mark.

If anyone has chidren, this was an embarrassing display, and I for one do not uphold this kind of behavior.

Right is right...and wrong is wrong. I know many of my fellow Republicans do not and will not accept Obama based on the simple fact that he is a man of color, and have vowed to fight him every step of the way based on his mixed-heritage ( and love calling him a socialist as they did past Presidents when Medicare and Medicaid where first formed)...but I have always raised my children to uphold the laws of the land and to respect elders and certain stations in life..the Presidency being one of them.

I think that if we as a party cannot see how wrong this is...we are lost and totally delusional.

I am truly embarrassed....for my party and what we as a party are teaching our children. Yesterday was a truly sad day for me....

(Let the stoning begin...I am ready!)
- September 10th, 2009, 04:55 pm
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He was out of line, as were the (few) other members of his party who were texting , carrying signs, and being generally disrespectful. Ultimately, it was counterproductive - the President looks magnanimous for accepting his apology, and he looks out of control. And his opponent raised over $200, 000 in the first hours after his outburst, leaving him to scramble for donations and post a video plea for matching funds today.....
- September 10th, 2009, 09:00 pm
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dito wrote :
I am offended that he apologized.
I'm going to have to go with this.

The left did similar to Bush when he was in office, and turnabout is always and forever fair play. With that in mind, I don't see the problem.

I don't want to hear any more crap about respecting the office. The office gets respected if the man in it respects the Constitution and the people of the country enough to not mislead in his speeches. He works for us, not vice versa.

I wish Kentucky could toss McConnell out and get Joe Wilson instead. It's nice to see someone to the right of Karl Marx to demonstrate that he does, in fact, have some actual bone in his spine.

Given that Obama stood up there and called everyone on the right liars, I think it would've been completely appropriate if every republican had gotten up and walked out during the speech.
- September 11th, 2009, 09:09 am
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