President Obama..his speech last night... and the heckler...your thoughts???.


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lizard47 is offline lizard47 Post #21  September 13,2009, 10:22am
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legend29 wrote :
BTW: Love your avatar....he lost most of his sponsors but FOX kept him on anyway. I love watching Glenn Beck...but did not agree with him when he called Obama a racist...but he has helped me to understand what ACORN is about and for that I am truly grateful.

But....I like to keep myself informed and as FOX always likes to say "fair and balanced", so I also watch Rachel Maddow...her thoughts can be very interesting...indeed!
Hey Legend!
I like Glenn Beck too, maybe because he is a conservatist not a Republican(for those that don't know he criticized President Bush often). While I don't like it when someone calls another a racist I did understand where Beck was coming from but am also wise enough to say that it will never be accepted when a white person calls a black person a racist even if it is true. But that is a whole other topic.
I saw today that a New York paper is saying that Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst was motivated by race........OMG!!! I am so sick of those who oppose President Obama being told they are racist. He said something that was, based on independent examinations of the House bill say that it will include illegals, viewed as not true and spoke out. That does not make him a racist, rude yes but not a racist.
 
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I'm not going to actually comment directly on whether or not the heckling was rude, I just want to throw something against the wall. Like it or not, this address turned into a national Town Hall Meeting by virtue of the escalating frustration within the voting public, by definition an informal venue that encourages people to participate and voice their opinion. They were never intended to be a formal sit-there-politely-and-keep-your-mouth-shut event; the intent was to give the public a voice. We need that format that allows for public dissent, rather than allowing the speaker to present uncontested. When you have an issue as controversial and emotional as what was presented in this one, why would it shock so many people that fervent dissent was voiced? There are Town Hall Meetings going on all across the country on this subject - and many of them have been extremely heated. Wilson had just come from the largest town hall meeting in the history of South Carolina where his constituents had gotten very passionate about their concerns regarding this issue. I have no difficulty visualizing them sitting in their living rooms in front of their TVs back home yelling the words that came out of his mouth that night. As such, he was accurately representing the concerns and feelings of those he was elected to represent. I think that a lot of people are getting tired of being forced to listen to endless speeches that don't promote clarity and that pontificate uncontested what they perceive as untruth on issues that will reach into their pockets. A lot of people are getting frustrated at not being heard. That is what is creating a lot of the emotion that is on display. I'm not trying to justify his behavior; I am just trying to see it for what it was. Whether Obama likes it or not he is going to take whatever heat is generated on this issue because it is his plan - just like every other president has had to do throughout the entire history of this nation - a nation that was designed to make the President accountable to the People, not vice versa. America has never been depicted as being populated by polite, sweet docile creatures, but of fiercely independent people who demand their rights. Hoo Yah!
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I am offended that he apologized.
My thoughts exactly.
 
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lizard47 wrote :
Again 2 wrongs do not make a right, but are you saying it was ok when the Democrats booed President Bush during a State of the Union Address??? Just curious because I do not recall anyone being threatened with censure after that, I am not trying to single you out Grace just asking in general.
Personally, I don't recall booing at the State of the Union, but I do recall Democrats using another tactic that I don't care for at all, that of what I call "sarcastic applause"; i.e., applauding only the first half of a sentence in a speech so that it is taken out of context. Sometimes, during Bush's last couple of State of the Union addresses, it was accompanied by some catcalls, too (which might be what you described as booing? Whatever we call it, it certainly wasn't friendly towards President Bush). There was both cheering and booing following Wilson's outburst, too; and I didn't think that was great. However, Wilson shouted alone, and was easily identifiable, and so becomes easier to censure. As I understand it, they are not supposed to shout on the floor of Congress. But as any schoolteacher can tell you, it's easier to catch and punish one student who is out of line than to punish a whole group.
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Unfortunately all the heat and venom by all disguises the real issue. For those of us lucky enough to still have employer sponsored health insurance that is really adequate still face the problem that we are only one paycheck away from being uninsured. Something must be done, we all must pay for it, and we are the only democracy that doesn't insure all our people. I would rather wait in line for help than see someone die or be horribly damaged because he/she has no insurance and can only get crisis care through the emergency room. This is as much a moral as economic issue.
 
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The Liberal news media organizations have reported that "thousands" of people marched in D.C. yesterday in opposition to Obama's health care reform. As usual - they spoke falsely in an attempt to downplay the amount of opposition to the current people in government, including Obama.
In Reality - there were many tens of thousands of marchers and they were not protesting JUST the health care issue. They were protesting too much government in our lives AND too much government spending AND too much government that we have not had a voice in AND they were carrying hundreds of signs calling that so-called "heckler", South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson a HERO !
No matter how much the Liberal Media and Congress and Mr. Obama want to pretend otherwise - We, the People are ANGRY and it is going to get much worse.

Personally, I happen to agree with the marchers.
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Seneca wrote :
The Liberal news media organizations have reported that "thousands" of people marched in D.C. yesterday in opposition to Obama's health care reform. As usual - they spoke falsely in an attempt to downplay the amount of opposition to the current people in government, including Obama.
In Reality - there were more than 2 million marchers and they were not protesting JUST the health care issue. They were protesting too much government in our lives AND too much government spending AND too much government that we have not had a voice in AND they were carrying hundreds of signs calling that so-called "heckler", South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson a HERO !
No matter how much the Liberal Media and Congress and Mr. Obama want to pretend otherwise - We, the People are ANGRY and it is going to get much worse.

Personally, I happen to agree with the marchers.
Again, I say Hoo Yah!
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Seneca wrote :
The Liberal news media organizations have reported that "thousands" of people marched in D.C. yesterday in opposition to Obama's health care reform. As usual - they spoke falsely in an attempt to downplay the amount of opposition to the current people in government, including Obama.
In Reality - there were more than 2 million marchers and they were not protesting JUST the health care issue. They were protesting too much government in our lives AND too much government spending AND too much government that we have not had a voice in AND they were carrying hundreds of signs calling that so-called "heckler", South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson a HERO !
No matter how much the Liberal Media and Congress and Mr. Obama want to pretend otherwise - We, the People are ANGRY and it is going to get much worse.

Personally, I happen to agree with the marchers.
OL, puleeze! There is no frickin' way that there were "more than 2 million marchers" here...lol. We wouldn't even have been able to get around town if that were the case. There has never been a gathering or march on Washington with 2 million people, and that most certainly includes this march (I challenge you to provide even one iota of hard evidence that there were that many people here...lol). Even the Obama inauguration, which basically shut down the city because there were so many people coming to the event and was the largest gathering ever on the Mall, didn't officially register 2 million people.

The Washington Post reported that "many tens of thousands" marched; even the ultra-conservative Washington Times put it like this: "Rally leaders estimated the crowd at about 75,000, but others said it was larger than that. Organizers had expected between 25,000 and 50,000." That's a decent turnout in itself; you just destroy your own credibility by exaggerating the numbers to such a fantastical degree.
 
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OL, puleeze! There is no frickin' way that there were "more than 2 million marchers" here...lol. We wouldn't even have been able to get around town if that were the case. There has never been a gathering or march on Washington with 2 million people, and that most certainly includes this march (I challenge you to provide even one iota of hard evidence that there were that many people here...lol). Even the Obama inauguration, which basically shut down the city because there were so many people coming to the event and was the largest gathering ever on the Mall, didn't officially register 2 million people.

The Washington Post reported that "many tens of thousands" marched; even the ultra-conservative Washington Times put it like this: "Rally leaders estimated the crowd at about 75,000, but others said it was larger than that. Organizers had expected between 25,000 and 50,000." That's a decent turnout in itself; you just destroy your own credibility by exaggerating the numbers to such a fantastical degree.
Actually the initial reports of that number came from ABC News which has since said it made a mistake......so rather than jumping on someone for destroying their credibility maybe step back and politely correct them without being snarky.
 
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Personally, I don't recall booing at the State of the Union, but I do recall Democrats using another tactic that I don't care for at all, that of what I call "sarcastic applause"; i.e., applauding only the first half of a sentence in a speech so that it is taken out of context. Sometimes, during Bush's last couple of State of the Union addresses, it was accompanied by some catcalls, too (which might be what you described as booing? Whatever we call it, it certainly wasn't friendly towards President Bush). There was both cheering and booing following Wilson's outburst, too; and I didn't think that was great. However, Wilson shouted alone, and was easily identifiable, and so becomes easier to censure. As I understand it, they are not supposed to shout on the floor of Congress. But as any schoolteacher can tell you, it's easier to catch and punish one student who is out of line than to punish a whole group.
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Grace dear you just cost me. Someone who no longer posts but visited yesterday told me that you would not have any recollection of President Bush being booed and I said no Grace is an intelligent woman she would. Oh well pay out won't be that bad
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