Bandmate is offline Bandmate Post #11  July 12,2009, 3:03am

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I can agree with that, wonderwoman, to an extent. I have no problem with people of different political views when we share the same essential values. I have conservative friends who are very interested in helping the poor, for example; and while we might differ on the details of whether we support/don't support specific government programs to serve that population, we all agree that there are those who need help. Some of them volunteer extensively and do great work. That leaves us plenty to talk about, even when we aren't supporting the same candidates. And of course, people's views can change. I have a good friend who voted for Bush in 2004 when I voted for Kerry, but by 2006 she was just as negative about Bush as I, if not more so.

neardc, I think your point about cable news and its influence is well taken. Public officials are often called upon to give opinions and to respond to other people's statements with little or no time to discuss and/or reflect before having to fill time and make news on the latest interview show. I think it leads to overstatements and rash statements by members of both parties that then have to be walked back (the charges of racism against Judge Sotomayor being just one recent example, but almost every week brings more). This can't lead to much thoughtful deliberation, and it puts many on Capitol Hill in a near-constant mode of being reactive rather than proactive.

I also wonder if the incessant cycle of political fundraising is having a corrosive effect on civil dialogue in Washington? There was a time when members of the House and Senate and their staffs could relax together at the end of a long day. They'd see each other at various DC restaurants, clubs, and other watering holes (not to mention golf courses, country clubs, etc.), where they had a chance to converse and get to know each other socially. Sometimes, in an earlier generation, fierce political opponents were close personal friends (Bob Dole and George McGovern, for one example). Nowadays, a member of congress is much more likely to spend evenings in DC in the company of lobbyists or at PAC events and other partisan fundraisers. Often that means they spend their time hearing the extreme wings of their respective parties demonizing the other side, as opposed to sitting down to a drink with a member of "the other side". It's got to affect them after a while; how could it not?

Judge Sotomayor is a perfect example,can you honestly tell me what the reaction would have been if a white man up for a Supreme court appointment had said that as a white man he would make better judgements than a hispanic woman....you know full well what it would have been,there would have been no explanation or excuse that would have been enough...political honesty,integrity and fairness does not exist in today's political climate...Bush's billions were bad......Obama's trillions are good...military casualties in the Middle East used to be big news,now it doesn't seem to matter.The patriot act was an evil creation(i agree) of the even more evil Bush...what has Obama done to roll back any of it's anti constitution provisions...any and all accusations against Bush and republicans are deemed absolutely true and correct because.....well somebody said they did it...any criticism of Obama is patently false,made up and fabricated to bring down a black man
 
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When did the US become so antagonistic about politics?
Politics has become antagonistic because politics have become intrusive and attempts to control every aspect of a person's life,anyomne who values their personal freedom will resent that.
 
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When did the US become so antagonistic about politics?

Bottomline-when the feminists changed from wanting equal rights to having superior rights [men have lost Due Process.] And when the Political Correct have taken a stranglehold on most social websites-they censure the men. There's lots more but many men offline talk about this.

For instance if you are told to "shut up, don't use this or that words and btw we have taken your job, wife, children, country, Pledge Allegiance to the Flag, dignity and if you don't pay the child support you go to jail" speech, you would be upset too.

In short, this is a Civil War and a Revolutionary War going on at the same time. They started it and we will finish it. You can't step on our parents, grandparents and greatgrandparents and expect us not to say anything. Men and women have died in wars for hundreds of years so these Communist types wouldn't take over.

While we fight, our Govt is taking away more rights and has become a direct threat to our freedom. Either way America is heading down the path to becoming a Totalitarian Govt.
 
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And, the advent of the internet has surely made it all uglier, providing a platform for a lot vitriolic extremists from both ends of the spectrum to spew their particular brand of "discourse"
Yeah, the Internet has provided a means for most anyone to "share" their views with the world, regardless of how biased or unintelligent the arguments. Some people have such low self-esteem they need to put others down in order to feel good about their own position ... and some are just lunatics.
 
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Yeah, the Internet has provided a means for most anyone to "share" their views with the world, regardless of how biased or unintelligent the arguments. Some people have such low self-esteem they need to put others down in order to feel good about their own position ... and some are just lunatics.
Indeed! One can feel powerful here on message boards in ways that often aren't possible in the real world. And, those who feel especially powerless out in the world sometimes take that out in these sorts of venues. That is an illusory sort of power, though, fed off of anger and pain.

There are many people in real life and on these boards whose political views are very different from mine, but whom I both like and respect (just as they like and respect me). We can have a strong disagreement about an issue, and yet still look forward to chatting or meeting for dinner or whatever. Even though we have different ideas about how best to actualize them, we share important values and goals, and that gives us much more in common than our political differences might imply. If your focus, though, is always on shouting and screeching and raving on about some particular political issue or how you've been wronged by life or women/men or some group of people, you never get a chance to figure out where those points of common thought are and that's just kinda sad.
 
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Bandmate wrote :
Tell me why i should respect you or anybody else who seeks to take away my freedom or property just because they think it should be that way.I genuinely and sincerly don't care how anyone else lives their life,i have enough trouble trying to live my own without blowing it,yet i'm surrounded at times by little do gooders,busybodies and crusaders who think people should do this or not do that,most of the time trying to protect them from themselves which is neither their responsability or right...if not that then they are trying to find ways to transfer the consequences of the choices people make to others...always and forever busy trying to force their perspective of life on others...usualy on someone else's dime...so why should i have anything but contempt for such people ?
WOW! What a leap in logic! I didn't even say what ANY of my political views are and you're assuming I want to take away your freedom and property?

Some people are just antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic.
 
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WOW! What a leap in logic! I didn't even say what ANY of my political views are and you're assuming I want to take away your freedom and property?

Some people are just antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic.
Yes, and some of them post here.

Welcome, by the way! We could use some additional folks posting on these boards .
 
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WOW! What a leap in logic! I didn't even say what ANY of my political views are and you're assuming I want to take away your freedom and property?

Some people are just antagonistic for the sake of being antagonistic.

if you vote for higher taxes(socialist programs) to pay for things you think should be paid for then you are vote to take away my property,if you support the nanny state then you vote to take away my freedoms.
 
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Yes, and some of them post here.

Welcome, by the way! We could use some additional folks posting on these boards .

and some of you don't have the ability to challenge them in any way except to tell them they're not nice and should apologize
 
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ThePriestess wrote :
Yeah, the Internet has provided a means for most anyone to "share" their views with the world, regardless of how biased or unintelligent the arguments. Some people have such low self-esteem they need to put others down in order to feel good about their own position ... and some are just lunatics.

it also has alot of arrogant elitist snobs who think they know everything and acualy have the right to judge an intelligent arguement..no self esteem problems there
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