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...As Mike Huckabee said on TV today, the job only gets bigger when one runs for President...
hmmm... a politician telling us that the job is so big that only a select few can do it.

THAT is what they want you to believe. None can do it but the annointed. They are special. We need them. We are lost without their leadership.

Blah, Blah Blah...
 
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Not that it "really" matters because I doubt she would have ever attained the presidency. Until a year ago few knew she even existed ... and a couple years from now most people will have forgotten.
the same could have been said of obama- until he was elected...
 
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I don't know where you get the idea that politicians have to be "specially anointed", especially from Huckabee, who has always portrayed himself as a man of the people. But I do want intelligent people running for office (maybe ones that didn't go to 5 colleges?!) , preferably without close advisers telling reporters that they believe the candidate suffers from mental illness. (Re: the Vanity Fair piece on Palin, as well as other, silmilar reports). That really shouldn't be too much to ask.
 
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the same could have been said of obama- until he was elected...
In some ways, but he was at least poised on the national stage already. Palin might as well have been stationed in a remote Artic outpost.
 
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I figured I'd be seeing this with the news of Palin resigning ...

Let us assume she says what she means ... That family is very important to her, that her faith is very important to her (As the same is done for Obama)

So ... Throughout the election, her family is attacked ... Husband is weak because the wife is the governor ... Oldest daughter is loose because she is having a child ... Youngest daughter is loose by association ... Palin is a bad mother for accepting a VP position with a newborn ... Palin is a bad mother for accepting a VP position with children in the home ... Palin believes in God/Jesus so must be delusional ...

Did I miss any?

I am trying to think of a politician running for office that was subjected to such criticism from the media, but am having trouble ... One might argue that Obama with the religion might be close (that is, the idea that he is really Islamic in disguise) ... But that is about where it ended, as far as personal attacks and attacks on family went (that I can recall).

As far as possible reasons for her departure (or departure at current goes) ... Possibly fed up with personal attacks on her family and aims to shield them from that ... Possibly has come to the conclusion that she would like to become a stay at home mom and raise her newborn and youngest children ... Who knows the exact reasons (as far as I know she hasn't specified her reasons yet) ....

And a side note ... If I am at the crossroads for making a big decision in my life ... You can bet your britches I am going to be praying about it quite a bit ... Since none of us were involved in that process, she may very well have felt moved to withdraw from politics and focus upon something else. That only ones that know are her and God.
 
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In some ways, but he was at least poised on the national stage already. Palin might as well have been stationed in a remote Artic outpost.
National stage?!? A state senator for 7 years, gives experience, but not for the presidential/national level ... He was a US senator for ~2 years before making his run for the presidency ... I don't know how long he was a community organizer, but I don't think that would add much to his presidential appeal.
 
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I'm one of those supposedly unintelligent pro-life, evangelical, conservative types, and I am continuously amazed at what passes for intelligent intellect from the left. Most of that world-view is rehashed myths and garbage that is recycled through liberal universities and media types that sit around and convince each other they are actually right. It's group think at its worst. True liberalism can be traced back to Woodrow Wilson and spans FDR, Truman, and Kennedy. What has manifested as modern day liberalism was actually scorned by people like Harry Truman who called them crazy. Today the crazies are at the forefront.

Now having had my rant, I'll address Palin's situation. For the sake of full disclosure I supported Mike Huckabee in 2008, and I'll do so again 2012 if he runs. I did not believe Palin had any chance at the Republican nomination in 2012 even before she resigned. She's not ready and not well versed enough on enough of the issues. As far as resigning goes I take her at her word that all the phony ethics investigations are taking a lot of attention and money, and it got to a point where she had enough. Keep in mind that not a single one of those ethics violations as actually been held up. Huckabee went through the same thing in Arkansas. He followed the most corrupt politician in Arkansas (Jim Guy Tucker) and took over mid-term after Tucker was indicted. Of course many beleive Tucker was just not as smart as the Governor before him (Clinton) and Tucker got caught where Clinton didn't. Anyway as Huckabee said the game in Arkansas with him and with Palin now is that you drum up a lot of ethics charges that have no basis to try and cause trouble and hopefully get them to resign or at least tie up all their attention.

I'm also sure as a mother she got tired of seeing her family being attacked. But.....even though I understand why she may have done it, I think it only makes sense if she is getting out of politics for quite some time. If there is anyone around Palin that is telling her this is a good strategy to set herself up to run in 2012 then they are completely nuts. Many of those who would have supported her are going to question that if she can't handle a full term as Alaskan Governor then how could she ever handle being President. If she wants a political career in the future then she'll have to run for something like Senate and build herself a reputation for at least two six year terms as hard working, informed, experienced, and dedicated. Getting started though will be tough because current Senator Lisa Murkowski has already fired off a shot at Palin in case she is thinking of challenging her in 2010.

I think most of the attacks on Palin have been political hit jobs. I will say though that there are times when she doesn't help herself. Resigning like this didn't help herself.
 
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National stage?!? A state senator for 7 years, gives experience, but not for the presidential/national level ... He was a US senator for ~2 years before making his run for the presidency ... I don't know how long he was a community organizer, but I don't think that would add much to his presidential appeal.
Actually he began as a community organizer at a very early age (mid-twenties), before he went to law school. You know, right about the time that most of us were getting out of college and trying to figure out what the heck we were going to do with the rest of our lives.

I was impressed more with his ability to foresee our global direction and his consistency, insight and willingness to explore issues (that make people uncomfortable, including himself) and solutions than the fact that he was a Senator. His focus on compassion as well as individual responsibility is something we (as a country) desperately need.

Yikes! Am I in a political thread? I'll be going now.

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who manifested the current economic crisis and destroyed American foreign polity.
You've got to be kidding me. You're either completely misinformed or one of the many lemmings swallowing all the dribble people like Barney Frank put out. The current economic crisis goes back at least to policies during the Clinton administration if not before. It has to do with both Republicans and Democrats protecting their Big Money Special Interests on Wall Street as well as too much regulation in some areas and not enough in others. Only someone who is a political hack or completely uninformed would try to put our economic troubles on one party or one administration. But while it is up for debate as to exactly what caused us to be here, there is no debate that what Obama is doing is going to make it even worse. Inheriting a mess doesn't give you a right to make an even bigger mess.

As far as foreign policy let's review the last few weeks. Obama ignores the advice of his Secretary of State during the early part of the Iran crisis and takes the side of the hard line repressive regime and even tries to reassure Iranians and all of us that the "Supreme Leader" was looking into the election. I know personally that I was reassured by that So after a week he finally starts to turn from his elitist liberal philosophy that in any given situation America is wrong, and if we'll just understand people enough they'll change.

Now let's look at the situation in Honduras. A leftist leader who was trying to illegally change the constitution so he could be like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela is deported from the country in a coup. I'm not a fan of coups, and I believe they could have handled this in a different way, but they install the next in line democratically elected official as president. So does Barack Obama take the same hands off approach in Honduras as he did in Iran when people were being shot and beaten? No, he jumps right on this one and condemns it even though his Secretary of State strikes a more cautious note. Apparently Obama's Foreign Policy is based on selective meddling. If people are aspiring to freedom and democracy against a repressive regime then we need to stay out of that, but if a fellow Leftist is removed from power then he's all over that.

Welcome to the days of weak and meandering foreign policy not seen since the days of Carter. I'll be surprised if at some point Clinton doesn't resign because she can't handle the stupidity anymore.
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Actually he began as a community organizer at a very early age (mid-twenties), before he went to law school. You know, right about the time that most of us were getting out of college and trying to figure out what the heck we were going to do with the rest of our lives.

I was impressed more with his ability to foresee our global direction and his consistency, insight and willingness to explore issues (that make people uncomfortable, including himself) and solutions than the fact that he was a Senator. His focus on compassion as well as individual responsibility is something we (as a country) desperately need.

Yikes! Am I in a political thread? I'll be going now.

*Backs out the door quickly*
Sorry ... I was not comenting on his ideas ... I was simply responding to the post that ridiculed Palin as having no experience and in the same breath defended Obama's record on the subject.

I have no qualms admitting that Palin and Obama would be very green around the ears (I think that's the phrase) when it comes to anything on the national level.

To put it in terms I can visualize ...

Palin ran a mid-sized insurance agency (and ran a very small agency prior to that) and was running for the VP spot for Blue Cross Blue Shield...

Obama had been an associate (or member of the board, sectretary equaivalent, I can't think of what relation a senator would have in the business world) for 2 years (and had been on the board/associate et all for a few years on a mid-sid-sized agency before then) and was proposing to run Blue Cross Blue Shield.

If I was on the board for Blue Cross Blue Shield, I'd be nixing them both ... They both need to get their feet wet a bit more before their resumes would ever make it to my desk in the first place.
 
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