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By hype do you mean the UN world report?
- August 2nd, 2009, 05:06 pm
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Kestral wrote :
By hype do you mean the UN world report?

No...But if our health care system is so horrible, why do people come here from all over the world to seek it ?

Yes, there are problems. Giving the government control over our health care isn't the answer though. They can't even manage to handle car trade-ins without screwing things up with bureaucratic red tape and sorry planning.
- August 2nd, 2009, 05:34 pm
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Kestral wrote :
By hype do you mean the UN world report?

We rank so low on your UN list, because we have become a fast food supersized, lazy, spoiled, me-first, litigious, give me a drug for everything, society.
- August 2nd, 2009, 05:40 pm
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The term “public good” does not mean something is good in a moral sense; it is a definition of economics. These aren’t “catch phrases.”

US health outcomes being worse are less due to our health funding system than to our poverty and crime, particularly in inner cities and native populations (Indian reservations.)

To an extent, our high costs also benefits other nations’ citizens (or subjects) due to our pharmaceuticals and devices generally being sold at lower prices abroad than domestically. The US is also the pre-eminent producer of new medical technology, which again benefits persons throughout the world. These global benefits are part of what we get from our higher spending.

Single-payer systems impose rationing, which is a difficult moral issue in its own right (though I find it immeasurably more tolerable than what we have now, or are likely to get.)

Another issue is our legal system; various estimates seem to coalesce around 20% of our costs being due to our tort system.
- August 2nd, 2009, 06:25 pm
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I like it, I would mention that all the supposed problems with letting government control something, dosent prevent you from letting these same people from running your military, and developing your foreign policy. I mention this because it was said that your military was for the public good.
Its clear that you would like to let those 'without' stay that way and those 'with' shouldn't share... but I wonder if you would hold the same position when we talk about something else.... like oil..
just sayin...
- August 2nd, 2009, 07:55 pm
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I fail to understand the point?

Those with oil want money; hence they sell oil. It’s a commodity. If oil disappeared tomorrow, the western nations would adapt; the middle eastern producing nations would … what?

I never said there was a problem with government controlling health care … I said I expected it would be better than what we have now!

I have a problem with even higher taxes, I have a problem with the current level of redistributive taxation, and I have a problem with lack of contribution to society from the recipients of such redistribution. We need to fix that first.
- August 2nd, 2009, 08:07 pm
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Of the top ten pharamaceutical companies in the world, based on revenues in 2008..:
Pfizer - US
Johnson&Johnson - US
GlaxoSmithKline - UK
Bayer - Germany
Hoffman-La Roche - Switzerland
Sanofi-Aventis - France
Novertus - Switzerland
AstraZeneca - UK/Swiss
Abbot Labs - US
Merk&Co - US
So out of the top ten you folks have 4 out of 10 of the biggest drug companies, and I would like to mention at this point that all the rest of these contries have varients of government run healthcare.
- August 2nd, 2009, 08:25 pm
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Government = Waste and Inefficiency.

As a small example. New York City has 700 teachers on suspension on average at a given time. These teachers are paid full salaries, (about $70,000.00) to sit in a room and do nothing. Some have been waiting more than 3 years to get a hearing. They wait so long, because the arbitrators only work 5 days a month. The cost to NYC taxpayers is 65 million dollars per year. Imagine that on a large scale on something as complicated as health care...scary.
- August 2nd, 2009, 09:20 pm
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Kestral wrote :
I like it, I would mention that all the supposed problems with letting government control something, dosent prevent you from letting these same people from running your military, and developing your foreign policy. I mention this because it was said that your military was for the public good.
Its clear that you would like to let those 'without' stay that way and those 'with' shouldn't share... but I wonder if you would hold the same position when we talk about something else.... like oil..
just sayin...

What developed country doesn't have a military run by the government ? Apples and oranges...private companies can run health care, not national defense.
- August 2nd, 2009, 09:25 pm
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I posted this in another thread but it's more valid here: http://advice.eharmony.com/boards/694829-post249.html
- August 2nd, 2009, 10:07 pm
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