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Interesting...So now the plan to pay for healthcare is to cut out the waste in the Medicare/ Medicaid system.

I hate to ask a stupid question, but why aren't they already doing that ? And since when has the government been successful doing that under any circumstances ?

Did anyone buy the argument that pediatricians and gp's will just turn to taking out tonsils or lopping off limbs to make thousands of more dollars ? Good luck, since they don't do surgeries...Way to spread fear to the uninformed masses BO.
 
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What is there to cut in medicare? It's bankrupt.
 
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hazmat is offline hazmat Post #93  September 14,2009, 8:58pm
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Is the main goal to cut insurance rates ? Texas and California enacted tort reform putting limits on malpractice awards. Insurance rates dropped 30% in Texas and 40% in California...why not do that on a national level ?
 
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Whatever happens its going to be a comprimise.. mine is not a typical view as I was born elsewhere and healthcare was (like ALL the survival neccessities,power,water etc ) government run, paid for and owned by the taxpayer.. so to me ..its a MORAL issue ..a basic human right.. In europe there is no possibility of losing ones home or bankruptcy due to the inability to pay hospital bills.. which is probably why there is less violence..people feel safer, knowing survival will never be an issue.. .. I think profiting from other peoples illness is beyond immoral..its Criminal .. Our President earns $400k per year ..several healthcare CEO's earn in excess of $6 million per annum.. (second only to bankers) it seems odd the the most powerful country in the world has mountains of money to spend on 'defence' (more than the rest of the world combined) and yet does not have funding for healthcare... or decent education ( which is the key to individual freedom).. from listening to those opposed it seems the worry is the cost .. One answer is to look at the Military budget ... and ask :- who benefits from this.. its all funded by the taxpayer... but for WHO's benefit exactly ??
 
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hazmat wrote :
Interesting...So now the plan to pay for healthcare is to cut out the waste in the Medicare/ Medicaid system.

I hate to ask a stupid question, but why aren't they already doing that ? And since when has the government been successful doing that under any circumstances ?

Did anyone buy the argument that pediatricians and gp's will just turn to taking out tonsils or lopping off limbs to make thousands of more dollars ? Good luck, since they don't do surgeries...Way to spread fear to the uninformed masses BO.
I get the idea that is being presented by that statement. Doctors, industrywide, make things common practice at times for tests & procedures to be done as a means to collect funds. I do believe that they do this for the nickel & dime stuff though. $8 here and $8 there kind of stuff. But it does add up.

Doctors may in fact prolong care to a patient when they know that the ultimate outcome is unavoidable. This may be more about appeasing the client by doing all that they can (even if it is just going through a motion.) & allowing the client time to handle things mentally. The doctors do enjoy the extra weeks of billing though.
 
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bigfincat wrote :
I get the idea that is being presented by that statement. Doctors, industrywide, make things common practice at times for tests & procedures to be done as a means to collect funds. I do believe that they do this for the nickel & dime stuff though. $8 here and $8 there kind of stuff. But it does add up.

Doctors may in fact prolong care to a patient when they know that the ultimate outcome is unavoidable. This may be more about appeasing the client by doing all that they can (even if it is just going through a motion.) & allowing the client time to handle things mentally. The doctors do enjoy the extra weeks of billing though.
But there is a reason they do these tests ... Heaven forbid that reason ever applies to anyone, but it does happen ... Good friend of mine kept getting pneumonia and then recovering from it ... If the last doctor she had gone to hadn't run extra tests to rule out causes, they wouldn't have discovered she had lung cancer.

The human body isn't quite like a car, you can't very easily take it all apart to find the problem and put it back together again ... Most of it is educated guesswork ... Series of symptoms frequently has XYZ as a cause ... And to make sure that the cause isn't PQR they run a standard test to rule it out.

Just as in any profession ... There will be doctors/lawyers/plumbers/contractors etc that will waste time to increase their pay ... But they are also the doctors that don't get quite as many referrals as the good ones ... Good ones being those that try to solve the problem as soon as possible so as to not waste your time or theirs.
 
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Our President earns $400k per year ..several healthcare CEO's earn in excess of $6 million per annum..
Just a word of note ... It looks like ex-presidents get a lifetime pension of $191,300 ... Plus office expenses, protection etc ... 'Office Expenses' for Jimmy Carter were $102k a year, $175k a year for Geroge H Bush, and $516k a year for Clinton ... Information from freerepublic dot com ... No idea on the veracity of the numbers ... But appears close to what I would expect ...
 
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bigfincat wrote :
I get the idea that is being presented by that statement. Doctors, industrywide, make things common practice at times for tests & procedures to be done as a means to collect funds. I do believe that they do this for the nickel & dime stuff though. $8 here and $8 there kind of stuff. But it does add up.

Doctors may in fact prolong care to a patient when they know that the ultimate outcome is unavoidable. This may be more about appeasing the client by doing all that they can (even if it is just going through a motion.) & allowing the client time to handle things mentally. The doctors do enjoy the extra weeks of billing though.


A big complaint of doctors is that they're forced to do so many unnecessary tests, because God forbid they miss something and get sued by someone in our litigious society. Another reason for tort reform.
 
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