What makes you think that the lords of government are any better than the lords of capitalism..as a matter of fact they exchange crooks all the time...a beleif in socialism is a beleif in government,that somehow honesty and integrity reign there because they are elected...do you realy beleive that ?

I highlighted the main points of my argument. Sorry to hear what you've been going through gully-belle. I hope the government and people in the US eventually realize that it's not all about impoverished people abusing the system... it's about making sure that people who want to work are enabled to do so and those that are cut down by tragedy of disease or accident are taken care of, if nothing more than because they have helped contribute to the system all of their lives.

It's a very cold selfish way of looking at thinking that seniors, who fought in wars for freedom or supported the country through many many years of productive service, should be tossed aside like chattel or made to pay higher taxes so that the young can have it easier. But I digress...

I won't re-re-restate my point. But not taken to extremes a capitalist society with socialistic tendencies would be my push in government. At this moment arguably the economies of Canada, the UK and EU are much stronger overall than the US. China, an extreme socialist country, is definitely in much better shape right now and owns a significant part of the US. Perhaps China is doomed to failure in its current political scheme and I can only hope so because I would like to see all of those people live with more freedoms and rights.

But then maybe the capitalists are right. Let's have less government and thus less taxes and more money in your pocket. If people want good roads, pick up a shovel and go buy some concrete yourself. Don't have time for that? Well you go and pay the contractor directly. Want to feel secure at the airport? Go hire your own private bodyguard and fly on a private jet. Want security at home? Buy yourself a gun or ten, barricade your home and hire armed security contractors so you can make it to the grocery store since we don't need government run police anymore. Someone attacked you or stole from you? Same thing, go find them yourself to bring before the courts.

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness and safety? Check.
Constitution adhered to? Check.
US a proper republic again? Check.

All must be right with the world then... right?

Your forefathers did, otherwise me thinks they would have just stuck with the king at the time... being that there are no "lords" in the US government.

You have the right to be elected to the government if enough others believe in you... do you consider yourself honest and a holder of integrity? It's the voters fault ultimately if they hire an idiot liar, especially those who abstain from voting, definitely their fault. But, at least every 4 years you get the opportunity to kick the douche bag out and try again for an honest person like yourself.

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Socialism is about creating freedom...what is this,joke night on the message board...if you added on someone else's dime i would agree...also government shares the capitalist love of money and power,they acquire it by force of law and sometimes just plain force..... other than that there is no difference.

No, it's not a joke. It's a statement of fact. The point you seem to be missing is that it is capitalism that works on "someone else's dime". When a person works they recoup the cost of employing them for their employer and their labours create a surplus which is taken by the employer as 'profit', despite the fact that it is not their labour that has created it. A socialist society would ensure that the workers received the full value of their work.

Private insurance is not a separate thing from employer based insurance. They are still as much a part of that system as the employer based system. They are still placed into the profit margin planning of the industry which effects the prices for everyone.