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Faira wrote :
How is paid-for education attainable for anyone that seeks it if a family has to choose between paying the rent and making sure that the kids are fed?

And then, under your system, the kids don't go to school...they can't get jobs where they can make a living wage, if they can get a job at all...they end up living in poverty and having to choose between paying the rent and making sure the kids are fed...

There's a reason why poverty is a cycle, why it spans generations, and why it's very, very difficult for people to break free of it.

And please don't tell me that, "If they were just willing to work harder, they could get out of it."

The American Dream doesn't exist anymore.

The American dream made the welfare state possible,if the American dream no longer exist the demise of the welfare state is not far behind...then it will be third world style survival of the fittest
- June 23rd, 2009, 02:15 pm
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The American dream made the welfare state possible,if the American dream no longer exist the demise of the welfare state is not far behind...then it will be third world style survival of the fittest
I see that style of life is working out well in African nations.

You also didn't answer her question... how is it possible for the kids to go to school if the choices are put a roof over their head and food on the table vs pay for school?
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From Wikipedia:

Price of health care
Private spending for health care is also far greater in the U.S. than in Canada. In Canada, an average of $917 was spent annually by individuals or private insurance companies for health care, including dental, eye care, and drugs. In the U.S., this sum is $3,372.[11] In 2006, health care consumed 15.3% of U.S. annual GDP. In Canada, only 10% of GDP was spent on health care.[5] This difference is a relatively recent development. In 1971 the nations were much closer, with Canada spending 7.1% of GDP on health while the U.S. spent 7.6%.

Impact on economy
In 2002, automotive companies claimed that the universal health care system in Canada saved labour costs. In 2004, health care cost General Motors $5.8 billion, and increased to $7 billion. The UAW also claimed that the resulting escalating health care premiums reduced workers' bargaining powers. While such arguments certainly demonstrate that employer provided insurance impacts corporate bottom lines more than health insurance that is socialized and thus does not appear on the balance sheet, tracing out the net effect is more difficult.

The CDC also has studies available on the difference in health.

Bingo... thanks for finding that.

So as you can now see... "private" health insurance helped lead GM/Chrysler into bankruptcy. It's funny how the Canadian GM/Chrysler plants have reported far less effect in loss of time due to illness and how their benefits packages in Canada which cover beyond what the government doesn't provide cost the company a lot less than it did in the US?

So the capitalist company saved more in Canada paying a higher wage than it did in the US paying a lower wage.

How is it that teachers in Canada generally get paid significantly higher wages than teachers in the US? When I lived in Florida back in 1998 I found out most high school teachers made in the range of $20-35k per year... Teachers in Canada make at least $60k per year and often upwards of $70k per year at a high school level... even if the government took 50% taxes (and they don't take anywhere near that) on that and taking into account exchange rate, a teacher in Canada make at least net what teachers in the US make gross. Who's better off at the end of the day?
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Why should someone without kids or without kids in school have to pay for others?
Because someone paid for you to go to school so that you can have a job and education... thus you are only paying back what you've already received.
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The1Tomcat wrote :
I see that style of life is working out well in African nations.

You also didn't answer her question... how is it possible for the kids to go to school if the choices are put a roof over their head and food on the table vs pay for school?

They control themselves and have the children they're capable of supporting, like the rest of us.

Or, they work to provide the consumption they desire; again, like the rest of us.
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Because someone paid for you to go to school so that you can have a job and education... thus you are only paying back what you've already received.
Yeah my parents did. I went to a private school till 2nd grade then after that it was all public. But they did pay their taxes.
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Regarding the teacher salaries citied above, the township I lived in in PA, in the year 2000, reported the following:

Minimum starting salary, $ 45 k (postgraduate degree guaranteed more, which most had; additional tasks after hours guaranteed more; difficult to recruit subjects guaranteed more; and other guarantees.)

Average salary, $ 89 k. Again, year 2000. I made half that then, working twice the hours with nowhere near the benefits or security.

Data per the Philadelphia Inquirer.
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dito wrote :
She has a book right? What's her name again?
Her name is Barbara Ehrenreich- she is a journalist and author, I'm not sure about the book, it was a case study in a sociology 101 class I took.
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They control themselves and have the children they're capable of supporting, like the rest of us.

Or, they work to provide the consumption they desire; again, like the rest of us.
I know that Marx is idealistic & not in tune with human nature but this idea fails for the same reasons.

It is also clear that lack of education & poverty effect quality of life of the entire population to a large degree.
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Her name is Barbara Ehrenreich- she is a journalist and author, I'm not sure about the book, it was a case study in a sociology 101 class I took.
This is how I had known who you were talking about:
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