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What would of happened if something major happened when you were living check to check?
What? Like having to care for family members in crisis? Like my wife's health problems for over a year? Like divorce? I would have had to make some difficult choices. Bankruptcy would not be an option in my mind. But, I would have found a solution. And I did find solutions. Life has ups and downs. Does any of this make sense? Is it something that can be related to a larger scale?

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We should be a leader by good example and follow our founders advice on foreign policy.
Absolutely we should lead by example. I've made the very same suggestion numerous times in my post here. I am grateful to our founding fathers. I'm not going to deify them though. What were the policies of our founding fathers? Do we live in the same world that existed in 1776? Can all their policies be implemented in the world of today as in the world of 1776? Should we become isolationists? Is it acceptable to think we can improve upon their ideas?

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How are we the most wealthiest nation in the world? Since we are the largest debtor nation how does that make us wealthy? If you are an individual isn't liberty the most important thing?
In millions of dollars, the GDP for the EU (a conglomerate of 27 individual countries) was 18,392,115 in 2008 - please, feel free to look up the GDP of the individual nations in the EU. The GDP of the US was 14,264,600. The next two highest individual nations were Japan (4,923,761) and China (4,923,761). Wealth is measured by comparing assets and debts. The US is still, by far, mind you, the wealthiest single nation in the world. Do we have the resources to decrease, and eventually eliminate our national debt?

Liberty is important for any individual to prosper. What is liberty? In what ways do an individual's liberties relate to their society's liberties? Is there such a thing as a "social contract"? Is my personal stance on liberty not clear enough by now?

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You don't have to provide insurance to employees unless things have changed since the last time I had them. Does the government need so much taxes to operate. Do you know that medicare and social security are going bankrupt?
No, it is not a mandate to provide insurance to employees. If you were searching for a job, and two companies offered you an identical salary, but only one of them offered insurance, which company would you choose? Is it in the best interest of a company to be competitive and offer insurance? Is it in the best interest of a company to ensure their employees are healthy?

Nations require taxes in order to operate. We are a large nation, and require large revenue. What are the historic tax rates for the US? How have those tax rates changed in our history? Why have they changed? What effects have those tax rates had on the nations overall wealth? Historically speaking, do tax cuts improve governmental revenue? Historically speaking, do tax cuts really improve the GDP or an individuals quality of life?

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All that's going to happen is these corporations are going to move overseas and then what?
Will they? Where are they going to move? Canada, Europe, or Japan? Why or why not? Would they profit more by moving to Mexico, India, or China? If they did, how would the company's infrastructure change? What would happen to their profit margin? Who would control the profit margin? Do any of these corporations currently have branches in any or all of these countries? If so, why haven't they moved their headquarters?
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What? Like having to care for family members in crisis? Like my wife's health problems for over a year? Like divorce? I would have had to make some difficult choices. Bankruptcy would not be an option in my mind. But, I would have found a solution. And I did find solutions. Life has ups and downs. Does any of this make sense? Is it something that can be related to a larger scale?



Absolutely we should lead by example. I've made the very same suggestion numerous times in my post here. I am grateful to our founding fathers. I'm not going to deify them though. What were the policies of our founding fathers? Do we live in the same world that existed in 1776? Can all their policies be implemented in the world of today as in the world of 1776? Should we become isolationists? Is it acceptable to think we can improve upon their ideas?



In millions of dollars, the GDP for the EU (a conglomerate of 27 individual countries) was 18,392,115 in 2008 - please, feel free to look up the GDP of the individual nations in the EU. The GDP of the US was 14,264,600. The next two highest individual nations were Japan (4,923,761) and China (4,923,761). Wealth is measured by comparing assets and debts. The US is still, by far, mind you, the wealthiest single nation in the world. Do we have the resources to decrease, and eventually eliminate our national debt?

Liberty is important for any individual to prosper. What is liberty? In what ways do an individual's liberties relate to their society's liberties? Is there such a thing as a "social contract"? Is my personal stance on liberty not clear enough by now?



No, it is not a mandate to provide insurance to employees. If you were searching for a job, and two companies offered you an identical salary, but only one of them offered insurance, which company would you choose? Is it in the best interest of a company to be competitive and offer insurance? Is it in the best interest of a company to ensure their employees are healthy?

Nations require taxes in order to operate. We are a large nation, and require large revenue. What are the historic tax rates for the US? How have those tax rates changed in our history? Why have they changed? What effects have those tax rates had on the nations overall wealth? Historically speaking, do tax cuts improve governmental revenue? Historically speaking, do tax cuts really improve the GDP or an individuals quality of life?



Will they? Where are they going to move? Canada, Europe, or Japan? Why or why not? Would they profit more by moving to Mexico, India, or China? If they did, how would the company's infrastructure change? What would happen to their profit margin? Who would control the profit margin? Do any of these corporations currently have branches in any or all of these countries? If so, why haven't they moved their headquarters?
*sigh* Just when I thought jaq has the longest posts(btw where is he) you come along

There is always a way. But you don't do the same things that got you in the problem in the first place to get you out of the problem that the first created.

Taken from an article: "In fact, when I mentioned Washington the other guest on the show quickly repeated the tired cliche that "We don't live in George Washington's times." Yet if we accept this argument, what other principles from that era should we discard? Should we give up the First amendment because times have changed? How about the rest of the Bill of Rights? It's hypocritical and childish to dismiss certain founding principles simply because a convenient rationale is needed to justify foolishpolicies today. The principles enshrined in the Constitution do not change. If anything, today's more complex world cries out for the moral clarity provided by a noninterventionist foreign policy.

It's easy to dismiss the noninterventionist view as the quaint aspiration of men who lived in a less complicated world, but it's not so easy to demonstrate how our current policies serve any national interest at all. Perhaps an honest examination of the history of American interventionism in the 20th century, from Korea to Vietnam to Kosovo to the Middle East, would reveal that the Founding Fathers foresaw more than we think."

Our GDP is made up of what percentage of government spending?

Of course I'd take the job that offered insurance. But as an employer you need to hire someone who will give more than they take.

Yes tax cuts do increase gdp and an individuals way of life.
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Dito,

*laugh* Yeah, I can get rather lengthy at times. Sorry about that. I just want to eliminate as many presumptions as possible.

I have no intentions of discarding the ideas of our founding fathers. That wasn't the point of all the questions. The point was to broaden the perspective of the arena. Societies are growing organism. Over time, some ideas are maintained, some are discarded, and some simply evolve. My opinion is that we shouldn't intervene unless asked or unless it's vital to our security. But, we need to be active in global politics, since they do effect us.

GDP, as I'm sure you know, is a measure of the market value for goods and services for a given year. It does not include debts, but then it isn't the complete measure of all assets either (such as infrastructure). Currently, the national debt is 82.5 % of the GDP. At the end of WWII it was apx 120% of the GDP. Coincidentally, in recent history, the percentage of debt was the lowest during the 70s. I do agree the debt needs to be reduced, we just disagree on how to do that, I guess.

I am of the opinion that employer/employee relationships are symbiotic and should be win/win situations. The purpose of a company is to be profitable. That can't happen if there are more cost than revenue, I agree. However, I also believe profits can be shared more equally than they currently are.

You will need to support your statement that lowering taxes increases GDP and quality of life. Corporate tax cuts (which is what we are really talking about) do nothing to stimulate the economy. They do, however, significantly decrease revenue - which is no good with the debt we have.

Take a look at this graph. Think about how it has effected the national debt and the economy. Notice how everyone had lower taxes from 2000-04. Did they stimulate the economy?

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Who beleives Americans are smart enough to know the difference ?
Great answer - most Americans aren't smart enough to know the difference. They just don't take the time to read the facts about a candidate's voting history and qualifications. Too many people are swayed by the media and a charismatic personality. Dare I even say that some people shouldn't even be voting in the first place? Before anyone starts "beating me up", I'm referring to those who are coerced and dragged to the polls who ordinarily don't know or care who's even in office.
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Great answer - most Americans aren't smart enough to know the difference. They just don't take the time to read the facts about a candidate's voting history and qualifications. Too many people are swayed by the media and a charismatic personality. Dare I even say that some people shouldn't even be voting in the first place? Before anyone starts "beating me up", I'm referring to those who are coerced and dragged to the polls who ordinarily don't know or care who's even in office.
Did you mean "most Americans ARE smart enough"?

These figures are general, but fairly accurate: over the past 40 years, on average, apx 55% of eligible voters voted during presidential election years, while apx 38% voted during non-presidential years.

The media is a source of quick, albeit, limited knowledge. It's easy to forget how limited and biased that information is. Personality is a HUGE influencer.

While I believe in examining a voting record, I also think it's important to understand WHY a candidate voted for or against something. The name of the bill might sound great, while the contents caused more harm than good. I also think it's important to understand a candidates social philosophy. Like most people, I believe in fiscal responsibility. However, my definition of that term, and my understanding of how to properly implement it may differ considerably.

If I could have one wish come true to reform campaigns, I would require each candidate to provide a solid resume. It would detail their social philosophy; it would include their qualifications to obtain the position; and it would include their voting record with explanations as to why they voted the way they did. It would also be devoid of party-line rhetoric. These could be made available on government websites, public libraries, and other public offices.
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Dito,

*laugh* Yeah, I can get rather lengthy at times. Sorry about that. I just want to eliminate as many presumptions as possible.

I have no intentions of discarding the ideas of our founding fathers. That wasn't the point of all the questions. The point was to broaden the perspective of the arena. Societies are growing organism. Over time, some ideas are maintained, some are discarded, and some simply evolve. My opinion is that we shouldn't intervene unless asked or unless it's vital to our security. But, we need to be active in global politics, since they do effect us.

GDP, as I'm sure you know, is a measure of the market value for goods and services for a given year. It does not include debts, but then it isn't the complete measure of all assets either (such as infrastructure). Currently, the national debt is 82.5 % of the GDP. At the end of WWII it was apx 120% of the GDP. Coincidentally, in recent history, the percentage of debt was the lowest during the 70s. I do agree the debt needs to be reduced, we just disagree on how to do that, I guess.

I am of the opinion that employer/employee relationships are symbiotic and should be win/win situations. The purpose of a company is to be profitable. That can't happen if there are more cost than revenue, I agree. However, I also believe profits can be shared more equally than they currently are.

You will need to support your statement that lowering taxes increases GDP and quality of life. Corporate tax cuts (which is what we are really talking about) do nothing to stimulate the economy. They do, however, significantly decrease revenue - which is no good with the debt we have.

Take a look at this graph. Think about how it has effected the national debt and the economy. Notice how everyone had lower taxes from 2000-04. Did they stimulate the economy?

Too lengthy for me I"ll refer you to www.mises.org
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This sums it up exactly:

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Obama proposes making 'pay-as-you-go' the law - CNN.com

"President Obama on Tuesday proposed making "pay-as-you-go" rules for federal spending into law.

The so-called PAYGO proposal requires Congress to balance any increased spending by equal savings elsewhere, Obama said in announcing the measure that now goes to Congress.

A previous PAYGO mandate helped erase federal budget deficits in the 1990s, and subsequent ineffective rules contributed to the current budget deficits, Obama said. Now the PAYGO rules should be the law, he said."

Congress makes laws, so it's up to them...just thought this was something good to add to this conversation.
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Well. I see nothing much has changed here since I last visited....
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Well. I see nothing much has changed here since I last visited....

Actualy things have changed

unemployement is up
the economy has further deteriorated
Obama has spent or proposes to spend about 3 times what Bush did
the world is incresingly more dangerous
Obama continues to make excuses and apologies and his minions continue to do the same....you're right...some things have not changed
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