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Nazalli is offline Nazalli Post #1  May 18,2009, 9:52pm
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Polls show that only 21% of the country identify themselves as Republican. After thoroughly getting their butt whipped in 08, can the GOP recover without coming up with new policies? It appears that they are obsessed with disagreeing with everything the President Obama does. That really leaves them with no plan B, if Obama is successful then the Republicans just look angry and out of touch.
 
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One party always disagrees with the other once they're in power. Of course the GOP will come back. Politics flows in waves through the years. We'll have, if he can pull it off, four to eight years of Obama, then the next one will ride the wave for a term or the country will get fed up with the Dems and the power will switch again. The public has a short memory for political achievements. In '91 GHWBush had an extremely high approval rating and seemed a shoe in to get re-elected. Nope, a year later everyone forgot and went the other way. Every eight to twelve years it'll switch and it always comes down to the same thing, Change. So when the GOP gets back in after the country calls for change again, what happened to the last guy who said he was for change? Ah, things change.
 
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outlaw1 is offline outlaw1 Post #3  May 18,2009, 10:28pm

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We liberals need to stick together. Do you work for DHS-Dept of Homeland Security?

Might I kindly suggest the illusion is in the mirror? We Citizens are tricked by these smoke and mirror "polls" & media crud. Statistics and polls can vary greatly depending on who you ask and how they are conducted.


So can you kindly tell us who was asked per the poll? What population, what was their age and where was the poll conducted?

Kindly supply the link too. Usually the news article tells you who was polled (in small letters.)

When the Republicans were in office (George Bush) I'm sure there were smoke and mirrors done too per Liberals.


You know what the real problem is per politics? Well the ancient Chinese found out and wrote a book called "The Art of War." The answer lies in there.

See Americans don't read history. No one knows what a Caudillo is or why Politician after Politician for 1,000s of years probably has said "we need a change."

But did they mean that?

But Plato knew the answer. Oh no trust me, this too will pass. It no longer matters who is in the White House. Both George Bush and Barrack Obama work for the same People. Both want the same end but the means are different. Something like that.

Maybe they have different policies, but what's the difference when under either one, certain groups win while others lose? And all the while America is moving along towards what? A Totalitarian State? Does it really matter if it's a "Democratic" or a "Republican" Totalitarian State?


Obama hired some of the same people George Bush used. What does that tell us? Why can't everyone win? Or does that go against Plato? Why can't everyone cooperate? Or does that go against Corporate interests?

Divide and Conquer is the blood of politics. It's all been done before in the history books. Read about the Gracchan (spelling) Brothers per Roman Republic.

Who do they remind you of? The Kennedys? My professor said history does not repeat itself. He said because the major characters are always different. I'll add because there are some surprise endings.

This is one of them...we know not what is being built/created. The answer lies in [edited--what happened right before] WW2.
And keeping Democrats and Republicans fighting= less for Citizens. It's easier to steal when social chaos reigns. But you knew that already

PS: It's all a mind game on the Republicans to make them think they are weaker than they really are-Art of War.
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outlaw1 is offline outlaw1 Post #4  May 18,2009, 10:40pm

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Booyah baby!

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Nazalli wrote :
Polls show that only 21% of the country identify themselves as Republican. After thoroughly getting their butt whipped in 08, can the GOP recover without coming up with new policies? It appears that they are obsessed with disagreeing with everything the President Obama does. That really leaves them with no plan B, if Obama is successful then the Republicans just look angry and out of touch.
Just a food for thought ... The same poll that shows that 21% of the country identifies themselves as Republicans also only shows that 30% of the country identify themselves as Democrats ... And this is after the resounding victory the democratic machine pulled off
 
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Most Americans are somewhere in the middle, not wanting extreme on either side. If the Republicans can center themselves they'll have an uptick in support. Same goes for the Democrats. The more they swing liberal the more they risk their hold on power...which is personally why I, as a hard core liberal who would really love to never see the likes of Bush and Cheney return to power, would very much like to see Nancy Pelosi gagged.
 
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Amen, sister!!
The Republicans will come back when they have some new leadership and some ideas that inspire the majority of Americans in the middle. I doubt they'll pull that together for 2010, however. But they may be able to do it later. These things are often cyclical. I remember watching CNN back in 2002 when the Democrats got whupped, and James Carville was appearing on TV with a bag over his head because he was so embarrassed by his party. Well, reports of the Democratic party's demise were greatly exaggerated then, and with some new leaders, the same could be true about the Republicans now.
But I am listening to Michael Steele's speech on TV right now....and he isn't it. Sorry.
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dito is offline dito Post #8  May 19,2009, 9:29am
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I can't really tell the difference between either party. But I think they are close to being done for or taken over. I am not sure which:

But when you have a guy who voted for the patriot act and tarp getting a standing ovation something is wrong.
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Jacquesne is offline Jacquesne Post #9  May 19,2009, 10:27am
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I'd also like to point out that only 56.8% of the American population voted at all. This "big increase" is from 55.3% in 2004 and 51.3% in 2000. If 21% are Republican and 30% are Democrat and 56.8% bothered to vote, and Obama won 52.9% of the popular vote and McCain won 45.7% of the popular vote I'm not entirely sure if your statistics are reflecting the reality of the "landslide" victory Obama supposedly had. The biggest difference was in electoral votes where Obama had 365 to McCain's 173.

That means that Obama did a much better job of campaigning in the right states which we already knew. Not only was the Obama campaign better organized and used better strategy it also spent considerably more money during the campaign ($513 million for Obama vs. $346 million for McCain).

30.04% of the population that actually voted voted for Obama. 29.95% of the population that voted voted for McCain. Overall the difference in popular votes between the candidates were 7.2%.

Since we can safely disregard those that didn't vote (43.2% of the American people) as not being part of the political process I would argue that the election was much closer than the electoral college would have you believe. 1.41% of the voters voted for other candidates besides Obama or McCain.

Can Republicans recover? Recover from what? Losing an election? It happens (generally around every 4-8 years or so). But if you believe the entire country has gone Democrat I'm not entirely certain what you're basing that idea on.

The nature of the electoral college often tricks people into thinking elections are much more black-and-white than they really are (no pun intended...seriously! ). If 60% of a state votes for Democrat and 40% votes Republican all their electoral votes generally go Democrat thus making it seem like 100% of that population effectively voted for Democrats (the "winner-takes-all" system currently practiced in 48 out of 50 states). That's why instead of the 7.2% difference in popular vote you have Obama with 67.8% of the electoral vote and McCain with 32.2% for a difference of 35.6% electoral votes (or the "landslide victory").

I'd be very cautious about throwing around statistics that exist within a vacuum. Statistics are a tricky animal and unless you analyze how they interact with the facts they don't really mean anything. By throwing around some numbers you can quickly generate statistics that seem staggering but are really only slight differences or completely unrelated to each other. The stuff I just wrote is likely going to analyzed and perhaps there's even flaws in my math and facts. If so please point it out so I can fix it and not look like an idiot .

Remember it's 137% true that 5 out of 4 people don't understand fractions and 34.231% of statistics are made up on the spot!

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I'm 37.843% sure you're correct.
 
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