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dito is offline dito Post #1  May 18,2009, 3:28pm
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This was a recent John Stossel thing on 20/20.

First vid is about pregnant women's rights in the workplace.
Second vid is about ionizing food.
Third vid is about taxpayers being responsible for rescues of dumb people.
Fourth vid is about if we want to save tigers we need to eat them.
Fifth vid is about steroids
sixth vid is about doing less for the old.



 
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The part that got me was the eating tigers part. I was like what??!!!! But it made sense.
 
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I think we need to reform health care in reference to seniors. Right now it would cost about $146,000 for a private citizen just to stay at a lousy elderly home. Most people would go through their savings pretty quickly if it had to come out of their pocket entirely. Those facilities are likely to eventually get all of your savings but they must continue to care for you long after that money has been spent.

I am sure that medicare & the state has a yearly settlement rate with the homes that make a bit more reasonable.

The reform could come in the form of charging less than $400 dollars per day. Then, there could be limits on how much a Dr. could charge per minute spent on a particular visit. My father had a surgery & about 9 different doctors would pop in for less than 2 minutes apiece every couple of days without doing more than glancing & charge a few hundred dollars per visit. Those follow up visits were amazing.

That is a great practice for the docs when they can go room to room at a large hospital & just hear the cash register ring constantly.

That is also silly that people can use medicare so freely for social checkups. That is irresponsible. There definitely should be a limit to the number of general visits covered.

I was thinking about this topic just today. It is a tough one because we need elderly facilities badly. Without them, my entire family would be pulled out of the work force whenever my father had a doctors visit or had any issues whatsoever. That would cripple the economy as well.

So many families would have that crushing burden on them which would effect even those without any family on medicare. Our economy would bottom out. Huge diliemma. I am thinking that the only answer is to lower the costs of those facilities & associated Dr.s visits along with limiting unnecessary general checkups (A couple of times a year would be sufficient for those that are healthy).

I do think that a need based % of coverage should also be put in place. All should receive coverage but a slightly higher out of pocket for those of great wealth.

And yes, I do believe that we will continue to have the financial responsibility to care for our elderly. From what I hear from my friends on WELI is that we owe them a lot. LOL....but then they are so upset that we have to contribute to their care. LOL.
 
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Steroids & any other drug like it should be illegal. Why not make recreational drugs legal also??

It would be great & sports would be better if there wasn't the constant chase between pharm companies developing undetectable product & the sporting authorities figuring out how to test for it.

In sports today it is unfortunate that even though many players may not be taking steroids but are taking something that is very close in effectiveness & danger

I don't care so much about the idiot at the gym using it but don't let mess with something that is being sold to the public. That we have to try to control.

There is a much, much better argument for legalizing mary jane & than their is to legalize steroids. I will give that one a resounding no.
 
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bigfincat wrote :
Steroids & any other drug like it should be illegal. Why not make recreational drugs legal also??

It would be great & sports would be better if there wasn't the constant chase between pharm companies developing undetectable product & the sporting authorities figuring out how to test for it.

In sports today it is unfortunate that even though many players may not be taking steroids but are taking something that is very close in effectiveness & danger

I don't care so much about the idiot at the gym using it but don't let mess with something that is being sold to the public. That we have to try to control.

There is a much, much better argument for legalizing mary jane & than their is to legalize steroids. I will give that one a resounding no.
Your other post was too long for me to respond to.

I think all drugs should be legal. But steroids aren't that bad compared to many other drugs. Look at the deaths from tylenol compared to steroids.

If the sports orgs want to keep them out let them. It's not the government's business. Steroids are performance enhancing and physique enhancing as well. Breast enlargements can be dangerous and have side effects but they are legal are they not?
 
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I think we need to reform health care in reference to seniors. Right now it would cost about $146,000 for a private citizen just to stay at a lousy elderly home. Most people would go through their savings pretty quickly if it had to come out of their pocket entirely. Those facilities are likely to eventually get all of your savings but they must continue to care for you long after that money has been spent.

I am sure that medicare & the state has a yearly settlement rate with the homes that make a bit more reasonable.

The reform could come in the form of charging less than $400 dollars per day. Then, there could be limits on how much a Dr. could charge per minute spent on a particular visit. My father had a surgery & about 9 different doctors would pop in for less than 2 minutes apiece every couple of days without doing more than glancing & charge a few hundred dollars per visit. Those follow up visits were amazing.

That is a great practice for the docs when they can go room to room at a large hospital & just hear the cash register ring constantly.

That is also silly that people can use medicare so freely for social checkups. That is irresponsible. There definitely should be a limit to the number of general visits covered.

I was thinking about this topic just today. It is a tough one because we need elderly facilities badly. Without them, my entire family would be pulled out of the work force whenever my father had a doctors visit or had any issues whatsoever. That would cripple the economy as well.

So many families would have that crushing burden on them which would effect even those without any family on medicare. Our economy would bottom out. Huge diliemma. I am thinking that the only answer is to lower the costs of those facilities & associated Dr.s visits along with limiting unnecessary general checkups (A couple of times a year would be sufficient for those that are healthy).

I do think that a need based % of coverage should also be put in place. All should receive coverage but a slightly higher out of pocket for those of great wealth.

And yes, I do believe that we will continue to have the financial responsibility to care for our elderly. From what I hear from my friends on WELI is that we owe them a lot. LOL....but then they are so upset that we have to contribute to their care. LOL.
I agree that there needs to be reform in the health care industry, but why should a healthy rich person have to pay more? I think the sick people and the ones who go to the doctor for any little sniffle should pay the extra price.
 
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bigfincat wrote :
Steroids & any other drug like it should be illegal. Why not make recreational drugs legal also??

It would be great & sports would be better if there wasn't the constant chase between pharm companies developing undetectable product & the sporting authorities figuring out how to test for it.

In sports today it is unfortunate that even though many players may not be taking steroids but are taking something that is very close in effectiveness & danger

I don't care so much about the idiot at the gym using it but don't let mess with something that is being sold to the public. That we have to try to control.

There is a much, much better argument for legalizing mary jane & than their is to legalize steroids. I will give that one a resounding no.
Ditto with Dito. Government has absolutely NO business getting into sports, if the fans don't want to support it then they simply won't go to the games. Unfortunately fans like homeruns and players like big contracts so I don't really see that problem going away anytime soon. People will always find a way to cheat, it's just a fact of life. But again, that is on the league NOT the government.

Don't really agree that all drugs should be legal due to the fact that most drugs make it impossible for people to function in society. If they were all made legal addiction would run rampant and people would be losing jobs left and right, crime would go up and the economy would suffer.
 
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Don't really agree that all drugs should be legal due to the fact that most drugs make it impossible for people to function in society. If they were all made legal addiction would run rampant and people would be losing jobs left and right, crime would go up and the economy would suffer.
The problem is that prohibition does not work. Addiction isn't running wild in Amsterdam nor has the crime rate gone up. The economy hasn't tanked there either. I think those that are going to use them will get them regardless. The war on drugs has obviously failed.
 
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The problem is that prohibition does not work. Addiction isn't running wild in Amsterdam nor has the crime rate gone up. The economy hasn't tanked there either. I think those that are going to use them will get them regardless. The war on drugs has obviously failed.
Drugs are not legal in Amsterdam, the laws are merely not enforced and even with that only the "soft drugs" are overlooked. The hard drugs will still land you jail time there. Prohibition on drugs does work, maybe not for social drugs like alcohol and tobacco but the hard stuff like XTC and Coke are severely addictive and detrimental to society.

"I think those that are going to use them will get them regardless." That comment just proves what I was saying, they will do whatever it takes. If they lose their job and can't pay for it guess what happens. They start mugging people for money to support their habit. I honestly think there should be a 3 strike rule for drug users. Get arrested three times and your gone. 1 strike for drug dealers.

The US is already the largest drug using country in the world, legalizing it would only make it worse and would bring in people from around the world that want to use it (and those aren't the people you want walking around your neighborhood).

This is not a battle that should be fought in the US however. The US itself produces very little drugs. Countries like Afghanistan, Mexico and Columbia need to reform their laws. Find an alternative for these farmers and they will no longer need to grow those crops. This would also start to solve the problem with a lot of the drug cartels (which is responsible for a lot of murders, violence and crime(would also like to note that the Taliban and Al Queda get a large portion of their funding from drugs grown in Afghan)). (Oh another note: the Taliban is a political party in Afghanistan, a very conservative one at that but still just a political party. They are NOT terrorists, but that's another thread.)
 
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