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I read an artical in the local paper today. The long and short of it was, a woman wanted to donate a substancial amount of money to the local univercity for scolarships. The one stipulation was that applicants had to be white citizens. The university turned the donation down because it was racist. Naturaly she cried reverce racisum and was told that there was no such thing. It is a myth. Yet we see it all the time. There are scolarships for the indigenous (native/indian) people only so why not allow for other races only? They have special grants for imagrants only and for natives only, but heaven forbid if someone should say something is for a white person only. That would be racest. But if the shoe is on the other foot and someone cries reverse racisum, it is a myth. Why is it ok for one race to be constantly crying racist, but not ok for the other race to even whisper the word or they are shut up in one way or another? Are we not people first? It should not matter what race we are any more than it should matter what gender we are. On a job application form they are no longer allowed to ask your gender. Maybe it should be the same for race. The only way to stop racisum is to stop looking at what race the person next to you is. Why can't our governments see that.
 
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Do you think that members of some races have advantage over members of other races?
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well im pretty much hinz 57, my last name come from spain so i guess this makes me hispanic,, there are some differances, for example when runner started coming here from nigeria they were out running the rest of the world,, this is just one of many examples,, each race build strong adaptations for the environment they live in
 
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"Advantages" of one race over another are social constructs. Other than minor genetic variations the races are not inherently that much different and there is as much genetic variation within races as between them. What defines a specific "race" is also dependent on whom you ask; what we may define as "Chinese" may be an entirely different category to the Chinese people.

Personally I've always had a problem with deciding policy based on such things. The common arguments defending such policies are virtually always situational and based on statistical trends. While in all likelihood "sob stories" will continue to determine policy in this country I don't really believe that's exactly a fair or good system.

Basically the idea is that solving inequality by creating inequality is not going to work. It's like punching someone and then letting them punch yourself to relieve their pain. As much as they may enjoy seeing you get punched the problem hasn't been solved. It's been said that one definition of insanity is trying the same thing and expecting a different result. How is discriminating going to reduce discrimination?

Personally I don't believe that woman should be allowed to donate money to support white individuals only. Then again I don't believe people should be able to donate money to only support any category or race of people and exclude others. It's exactly that behavior that creates hostility between people in the first place.

So either everyone should be able to donate money towards any group they want or nobody can. If you say that donating money to whites is racist and to, say, Hispanics is not, that's called "hypocrisy."

Using the "advantage" argument is quite honestly a bit silly. There are rich "minorities" and poor, uneducated white people. The proportion is irrelevant unless you plan on making a proportional policy. Do those poor white kids in Mississippi have the same opportunities as, say, Will Smith's children will have?

And here's where the argument "but so many more minorities are in a bad situation in comparison! That's just one example!" How does that matter? Make the policy apply to everyone in a bad situation then. Not just the race with the most people in the bad situation. Racist policies only support racism and help create racist people. If we ever want to solve the problem we can't have our government's policies specifically keeping that problem alive.

So I would argue that some races do not have any advantages over other races. Some people have advantages over other people. This is decided by their birth, their parents, and their social situation. If they were born into a different situation they would have just as much opportunity as any other race.

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P.S. OP, this isn't a policy, but pretty please use spell check! I know it's petty but every time I read "reverce racisum" (reverse racism) I cringe. Thanks!
 
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I read an artical in the local paper today. The long and short of it was, a woman wanted to donate a substancial amount of money to the local univercity for scolarships. The one stipulation was that applicants had to be white citizens. The university turned the donation down because it was racist. Naturaly she cried reverce racisum and was told that there was no such thing. It is a myth. Yet we see it all the time. There are scolarships for the indigenous (native/indian) people only so why not allow for other races only? They have special grants for imagrants only and for natives only, but heaven forbid if someone should say something is for a white person only. That would be racest. But if the shoe is on the other foot and someone cries reverse racisum, it is a myth. Why is it ok for one race to be constantly crying racist, but not ok for the other race to even whisper the word or they are shut up in one way or another? Are we not people first? It should not matter what race we are any more than it should matter what gender we are. On a job application form they are no longer allowed to ask your gender. Maybe it should be the same for race. The only way to stop racisum is to stop looking at what race the person next to you is. Why can't our governments see that.
Okay....hope this is not too facetious, but as a multi-racial/bilingual woman of color, based on your post I definitely have an advantage in your case because I can spell....

Lawd...adios mio...use your spell-check gurl! (lol)

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I wish I had one or two more words in my post ...

I meant, advantages which are bestowed by current laws / policies.
 
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So either everyone should be able to donate money towards any group they want or nobody can. If you say that donating money to whites is racist and to, say, Hispanics is not, that's called "hypocrisy

Bingo!!! My thoughts exactly except for you said it nicer than I would have.
 
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Okay....hope this is not too facetious, but as a multi-racial/bilingual woman of color, based on your post I definitely have an advantage in your case because I can spell....

Lawd...adios mio...use your spell-check gurl! (lol)

(*ahem*....slinking back to my corner for some libations)
Bilingual, legend I didn't know that! You can kiss with your tongue moving in two different directions at once! (where's the Halo icon when I need it...?) I'll have to uhm "experiment" with this when I see you...

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I read an artical in the local paper today. The long and short of it was, a woman wanted to donate a substancial amount of money to the local univercity for scolarships. The one stipulation was that applicants had to be white citizens. The university turned the donation down because it was racist. Naturaly she cried reverce racisum and was told that there was no such thing. It is a myth. Yet we see it all the time. There are scolarships for the indigenous (native/indian) people only so why not allow for other races only? They have special grants for imagrants only and for natives only, but heaven forbid if someone should say something is for a white person only. That would be racest. But if the shoe is on the other foot and someone cries reverse racisum, it is a myth. Why is it ok for one race to be constantly crying racist, but not ok for the other race to even whisper the word or they are shut up in one way or another? Are we not people first? It should not matter what race we are any more than it should matter what gender we are. On a job application form they are no longer allowed to ask your gender. Maybe it should be the same for race. The only way to stop racisum is to stop looking at what race the person next to you is. Why can't our governments see that.

This is true. I will tell u a story that happened to me per reversed prejudice when I get off the phone. I won a free two year college scholarship grant that was taken away from me and given to a minority.


I scored second highest and there were 2 free grants to give out. Reason given why they were taking away my free 2 year college grant...a black man pulled me aside and whispered "this test was created for minorities."

He worked for the State/County sponsored?non-profit agency that was giving away the free college grant. I knew him because he was either the tester and/or was in charge of the project where I had to apply.

Been a few years but how can anyone forget this?
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D_Lion wrote :
I wish I had one or two more words in my post ...

I meant, advantages which are bestowed by current laws / policies.
One of my friends in high school and I both applied to the University of Miami. I was ranked 10th in the school and he was ranked 14th for overall GPA. I played more sports, had more community service hours, had more extracurricular activities (he partied and drank whereas I was pretty much 100% into school), and more awards and AP classes. He's Cuban. I'm Caucasian.

He's a graduate of the University of Miami. I was not accepted. What was that reason again? Oh, yes. "Diversity."

That being said I don't believe in reverse racism. There is only racism. Someone can be racist against me and I can be racist against someone else. Racism is not purely negative. It usually is. If I were to gain a benefit because I was white that's racist against me. To me that's implying that my own accomplishments and/or capabilities are insufficient.

If you're looking for current laws and policies check out "quotas." Any policy that includes race as a deciding factor is inherently racist by definition regardless of whether or not the policy is positive or negative.

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