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tbesq is offline tbesq Post #21  May 16,2009, 4:03pm
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It is hard for me to really be on board with anyone who is either extreme left or extreme right. Neither camp is being very realistic. Sure, their views get them ratings and get their books sold, but at the end of the day I don't care for either perspective.

I think Jacquesne says it very well, people take politics too personally because they deem their opinions to be facts. Politics also drive how many peopl they live their lives, so being challenged on their views, in essence, makes them believe that they are living a lie or living a bad life.
 
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I've heard some men complain they were notified by Child Support that they are the father of a child and must pay child support. These guys said they weren't the father. And that for some reason the State refused a blood test?

I don't know if that's true but I have heard it more than once. There should be some accountability for Child Support Agencies.

I have read that some jurisdictions have laws that a child conceived in a marriage is deemed to be of the marriage, regardless of truth, and that courts do not accept arguments of fact. So, in short, men are legally compelled to unjustly support other’s children in this instance. From what I read, the reasoning is that the interests of the child take precedence.

It is for me truly scary that other people can impose on you impoverishing burdens that you had no voice in.
 
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"Thereafter, individual rights should triumph over the agendas of interest groups."


This is why I react so strongly to liberals. My rights are second, just behind the engine and the special interest groups.


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outlaw1 is offline outlaw1 Post #24  May 17,2009, 6:51pm

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D_Lion wrote :
I have read that some jurisdictions have laws that a child conceived in a marriage is deemed to be of the marriage, regardless of truth, and that courts do not accept arguments of fact. So, in short, men are legally compelled to unjustly support other’s children in this instance. From what I read, the reasoning is that the interests of the child take precedence.

It is for me truly scary that other people can impose on you impoverishing burdens that you had no voice in.
I"ve been lazy in finding out the latest news + laws. I think it was this winter or last that I started seeing stories of some men denied (by the Judge) of getting a blood test to determine paternity. I'm not an expert here. I've seen several guys post they got a letter (from their State's Child Support Agency) that informed him he was the father of a child. And then the guys online response was "I've never heard of that woman!"

And in the news I believe there was an article where it was confirmed a man wasn't the father of a child but still had to pay child support! Crazy. As far as I remember blood tests used to determine paternity. To not let a man defend himself via a blood test, is a Govt. out of control.

Bottomline it's in the Govt's interest to let someone else pay for a child than for the Govt to pay (welfare, etc.) Are there innocent women out there whose boyfriend or husband has refused to pay child support? No doubt. But does two wrongs make a right? Or take away a right...
 
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tbesq wrote :
It is hard for me to really be on board with anyone who is either extreme left or extreme right. Neither camp is being very realistic. Sure, their views get them ratings and get their books sold, but at the end of the day I don't care for either perspective.

I think Jacquesne says it very well, people take politics too personally because they deem their opinions to be facts. Politics also drive how many peopl they live their lives, so being challenged on their views, in essence, makes them believe that they are living a lie or living a bad life.

People,at least those who pay attention,take politics personally because laws affect lives,as the previous post demonstrate,men are held responsable for children they did not help make,these are unjust laws period...also the use of the word"politics" is often a way to hide or marginalize issues that affect people's lives...disregarding it as merely "politics" negates any true discussion.The people content to know who won American Idiot....uh excuse me...American Idol...and just want to know where their next pizza and beer is coming from probabaly don't care much about ..."politics"
 
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Bandmate wrote :
People,at least those who pay attention,take politics personally because laws affect lives,as the previous post demonstrate,men are held responsable for children they did not help make,these are unjust laws period...also the use of the word"politics" is often a way to hide or marginalize issues that affect people's lives...disregarding it as merely "politics" negates any true discussion.The people content to know who won American Idiot....uh excuse me...American Idol...and just want to know where their next pizza and beer is coming from probabaly don't care much about ..."politics"
I'm with you on that show - can't stand it!! I feel like brain cells are flying out of my head if I watch it for more than 10-15 min.

Bandmate and I are agreeing....surely the apocalypse is at hand! Perhaps I should schedule an extra church service this week.........
 
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I'm with you on that show - can't stand it!! I feel like brain cells are flying out of my head if I watch it for more than 10-15 min.

Bandmate and I are agreeing....surely the apocalypse is at hand! Perhaps I should schedule an extra church service this week.........

I'm going to make it a threesome! Comedians like George Carlin agree. Google him per his last show. He has free videos on Utube where he talks about the very thing Bandmate said. Carlin said all we care about is another mall...that we have become that dumbed down dude/dudette who just wants to numb our minds anyway we can ("party dude.")

Anyhoo other people have said the same thing.
 
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Jacquesne backed up my whole point in how Limbaugh loses credibility. I wanted to call the show just to state that he was erroneously stating his opinion as fact. I would never call though because it isn't worth my energy. He would just restate his opinion & say that he won the debate anyhow.

Isn't it great when the overweight guy is telling other people how to live? I am not judging him on that. Just stating that it is inappropriate to state that you know how everyone should live when you in fact have some clear downfalls.
I love how he used to rip on drug addicts.
 
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for one thing, people have lost the fine art of actually listening to the other person. They sit there and wait for you to be quiet so they can speak up, but they aren't really hearing your point at all. Secondly, too many people only get information from those with whom they agree and armed with this information they are going to make sure you know you're wrong bc they read it at Rush Limbaugh's blog. Or whatever.

The fact is seldom is one side either all right or all wrong. If you can't cite at least one thing the other side is right about, then you are guilty of not getting all the facts.

I have interviewed in my line of work many republicans, many democrats and many inbetweens. More often than not, they tend to agree far more than they realize. They couch it in different terms. And they will never agree on anything if they sit down together.
 
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Totally agree with that, nightling.

There's a very telling piece on politico. com today, called "The Lost Senate". It's about the changes in and the decline in civility in the US Senate, and it touches on some of the issues in this thread as far as people getting so polarized that they start to forget how much they actually have in common. The basic premise of the article is that, as Senators have spent more time with special interest groups and at home with constituents, they have spent far less time with one another. They have abandoned the old rules about not campaigning against one another, and they rarely see each other outside of a few highly partisan events. As a result, they don't know one another as real people, and the Senate has become polarized to the point of dysfunction. It's a long article, but interesting.
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