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Last week, the wife of my daughter's friend, a 26 year old teacher at our middle school, was killed when her car was struck by a landscape work truck that ran a red light. Both the driver and passenger of the truck were Mexican illegal immigrants and were arrested at the scene.





This accident caused a local public uproar about immigration reform.





Today's Philadelphia Inquirer ran a story about police exceeding their authority arresting illegal immigrants. (I don't know if this is related to last week's incident.) It seems, by law, police cannot question or arrest someone for issues relating to immigration status until after an arrest for another crime, then can they be turned over to federal authorities for prosecution of an immigration violation. Police cannot question anyone about immigration status and arrest them for an immigration violation. They don't have the authority. In addition, it seems, to do so would imply that profiling was employed to question their status and their rights (constitutional?) would be violated.





What a country, eh? Sneak in illegally, enjoy all the benefits, medical care, schools, in-state tuition!, etc., etc., and the only authority with jusisdiction is the INS. Not local police, not the sherriff, not the city police, not state police,...NOBODY!





How can we put a dent in the illegal immigrant problem if all these law enforcement agencies have their hands tied behind their backs?





End of rant.





BTW, the passenger of the truck committed no crime and was subsequently released.
- April 15th, 2009, 09:42 am
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Well one solution would be a flat tax. That would get them paying some taxes.
- April 15th, 2009, 09:51 am
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It can be somewhat touchy. We don't want to live in a country where the cops are stopping people randomly and saying, "Papers please."


With that said, the law about not being able to arrest anyone on suspicion of illegal immigration is stupid in the extreme. We have a wide open border with God knows who crossing it daily. Police should be able to make arrests on suspicion of illegal immigration assuming probable cause exists.
- April 15th, 2009, 10:28 am
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This is a subject very close to my heart. I'm originally from the UK and have lived here since 1996. I came through the proper channels, my children and I are now green card holders pursuing our citizenship, I pay my taxes etc. etc. I guess anyone can imagine how I feel when illegal immigrants are treated differently than I or American citizens.


A young woman lost her life at the hands of a negligent driver who presumably, because if his illegal status, did not have a licence. How is it possible that no crime was commited?! It's beyond belief that this man can carry on with his life as if this had never happened.
- April 15th, 2009, 11:23 am
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sabete2002 wrote :

This is a subject very close to my heart. I'm originally from the UK and have lived here since 1996. I came through the proper channels, my children and I are now green card holders pursuing our citizenship, I pay my taxes etc. etc. I guess anyone can imagine how I feel when illegal immigrants are treated differently than I or American citizens.


A young woman lost her life at the hands of a negligent driver who presumably, because if his illegal status, did not have a licence. How is it possible that no crime was commited?! It's beyond belief that this man can carry on with his life as if this had never happened.
That's the really sad part. The negligent driver probably didn't wake up and decide to run someone over the day it happened. Nevertheless, he wasn't supposed to be here. And while we can never know for sure, it's likely that if he weren't here, that young lady would still be living today. The tragedy is that this whole situation was preventable.


Political correctness really can kill.
- April 15th, 2009, 11:37 am
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jamesp81 wrote :

It can be somewhat touchy. We don't want to live in a country where the cops are stopping people randomly and saying, "Papers please."


With that said, the law about not being able to arrest anyone on suspicion of illegal immigration is stupid in the extreme. We have a wide open border with God knows who crossing it daily. Police should be able to make arrests on suspicion of illegal immigration assuming probable cause exists.
The idea of a federal ID has been proposed. Whether it be a nationally recognized ID system (state driver's license, welfare ID, voter ID, school ID, etc.) or a 'passport type' ID card, something that you need to show proof of citizenship to get, would be a start.


Then, if they want a driver's license, show proof of citenship (currently not a requirement in all states). Want an apartment, show ID. Want a job, show ID (already a requirement with too many flaws). Want to enroll kids in school, show proof of citizenship. Make it impossible to recieve any benefit of any kind without some form of proof of citizenship.





Randomly stopping people and asking for ID isn't going to fly, but when police are confronted with a situation, asking for ID isn't out of line. And if some authority is delegated to any law enforcement authority, when someone doesn't have ID, enough probable cause may exist to take some action. As it is now, there's nothing they can do.





Assuming some sort of effective ID system could be utilized, who would oppose it and why?





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sabete2002 wrote :


This is a subject very close to my heart. I'm originally from the UK and have lived here since 1996. I came through the proper channels, my children and I are now green card holders pursuing our citizenship, I pay my taxes etc. etc. I guess anyone can imagine how I feel when illegal immigrants are treated differently than I or American citizens.


A young woman lost her life at the hands of a negligent driver who presumably, because if his illegal status, did not have a licence. How is it possible that no crime was commited?! It's beyond belief that this man can carry on with his life as if this had never happened.


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The driver was arrested. The passenger was later released by the police because he didn't commit any crime.
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sabete2002 wrote :


This is a subject very close to my heart. I'm originally from the UK and have lived here since 1996. I came through the proper channels, my children and I are now green card holders pursuing our citizenship, I pay my taxes etc. etc. I guess anyone can imagine how I feel when illegal immigrants are treated differently than I or American citizens.


A young woman lost her life at the hands of a negligent driver who presumably, because if his illegal status, did not have a licence. How is it possible that no crime was commited?! It's beyond belief that this man can carry on with his life as if this had never happened.


Sabete,


The driver was arrested. The passenger was later released by the police because he didn't commit any crime.
Oops, my bad. I misread. Thanks
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very, very unfortunate. could just as easily have been a drunk/stoned/texting driver.


immigration is a big problem, for sure. step number one has got to be securing our north and south borders. then i guess we'll have to figure out how to handle the illegals that are already here. it's a toughie for sure!


is there a difference between sobriety checkpoints, and one that checks for citizenship?
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jamesp81 wrote :


It can be somewhat touchy. We don't want to live in a country where the cops are stopping people randomly and saying, "Papers please."


With that said, the law about not being able to arrest anyone on suspicion of illegal immigration is stupid in the extreme. We have a wide open border with God knows who crossing it daily. Police should be able to make arrests on suspicion of illegal immigration assuming probable cause exists.


The idea of a federal ID has been proposed. Whether it be a nationally recognized ID system (state driver's license, welfare ID, voter ID, school ID, etc.) or a 'passport type' ID card, something that you need to show proof of citizenship to get, would be a start.


Then, if they want a driver's license, show proof of citenship (currently not a requirement in all states). Want an apartment, show ID. Want a job, show ID (already a requirement with too many flaws). Want to enroll kids in school, show proof of citizenship. Make it impossible to recieve any benefit of any kind without some form of proof of citizenship.





Randomly stopping people and asking for ID isn't going to fly, but when police are confronted with a situation, asking for ID isn't out of line. And if some authority is delegated to any law enforcement authority, when someone doesn't have ID, enough probable cause may exist to take some action. As it is now, there's nothing they can do.





Assuming some sort of effective ID system could be utilized, who would oppose it and why?




I've lived in other countries where I was required to carry ID at all times. It never bothered me that I had to and I was only required to show it on a couple of occasions. If I was required to carry my green card or some other proof of residencywith me at all times, I'd have no issue with it at all.


Before I got green card status, I was on a dependents visa- my ex was here because of his job so he had the work visa, the kids and I were part of the package as it were. At that time, I could not get an SSN thus getting a drivers licence was a little difficult and getting a credit card in my name was next to impossible. That's why I get so annoyed when illegal immigrants demand rights that those of us who are here legally are not entitled to.
- April 15th, 2009, 12:41 pm
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