Is Child-Support a form of Welfare?


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saulgoode is offline saulgoode Post #1  March 10,2009, 6:15am
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Is child-support a form of welfare?


CS is a subsidy with the intent of providing for folks (an ex-spouse) who cannot provide for themselves.


I'm not in a spousal-support state, but what about SS?


Me, I think both are forms of welfare. We even have government offices that collect -- and often garnish -- the money, then redistribute it through a mechanism very similar to the mainstream tax-and-pay welfare we're used to seeing.


Non-payment of CS/SS is also handled in similar fashion, either with continued garnishing, or imprisonment.


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You're confusing Child Support with Alimony. Child Support is not for the maintenance of the ex-spouse... it is to fulfill your moral obligation to the care of your child.


I don't believe that I as an individual should be morally obligated to compensate for the poor decisions of others. However, the creation of a child is entirely my decision, and I as a human being must accept responsibility for it... which includes paying my share of the child's expenses.


I agree that if the man falls on hard times, it is way too difficult to get child support rates adjusted. By its very definition, when a guy hits times hard enough that he can't pay child support, that means he also can't pay a lawyer to represent him.


This does result in good men falling hopelessly behind and resulting in enormous child support debts that cannot possibly be repaid and unjust imprisonment. This system needs to be reformed.


On the other hand, we have women who get no support whatsoever from the father and have to support the child alone for many years, and that is equally unjust to both the woman and the child.


Courts need to look first after the best interest of the child. They just need to get to the point where theyrecognize that destroying the father is seldom in the best interest of the child.
 
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One child support is suppose to be used for the benefit of the child. I state it that way because I know that there are women and men out there that use child support for their own use.


Since I have never been in this situation other than being the person who received paperwork from the employee or the state regarding the payments I can only go off of those experiences. Most had a set amount and if that amount left them with less than a specified amount(varies by state) than it was a percentage of their pay.


There are several resources available to men and women to help with their legal troubles and I really think that blaming that as a reason to not pay child support is wrong.


I have compassion for those parents who try to keep up and struggle with payments. I have no compassion or respect for those that live very nice lives and are not making payments.
 
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I have compassion for those parents who try to keep up and struggle with payments. I have no compassion or respect for those that live very nice lives and are not making payments.
I absolutely agree.


Few things make me as angry as a father who doesn't support his kids the best he is able.
 
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saulgoode, wrote :

Is child-support a form of welfare?


CS is a subsidy with the intent of providing for folks (an ex-spouse) who cannot provide for themselves.


I'm not in a spousal-support state, but what about SS?


Me, I think both are forms of welfare. We even have government offices that collect -- and often garnish -- the money, then redistribute it through a mechanism very similar to the mainstream tax-and-pay welfare we're used to seeing.


Non-payment of CS/SS is also handled in similar fashion, either with continued garnishing, or imprisonment.


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Child support is intended to benefit the child, but it is de facto welfare anymore. The system that manages and deals with all that is beyond corrupt.


Interesting story. I lived with my mother for a while after my parents divorced. For the last couple of years before I went to college, I lived with dad. When mom sent the CS check, dad just handed it to me on the logic that it was supposed to be for my benefit anyway.
 
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saulgoode, wrote :

Is child-support a form of welfare?
No, it's a form of "man the hell up and take care of your responsibility".


Everything you said starts and ends with a system that had to be put into place for the very reason that men were leaving their ex-spouses hanging to care for HIS children on her own or on the taxpayer penny.


Who do you think is paying for your kid(s) if you aren't? ...oh, wait, let me guess ...children are free.
 
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saulgoode, wrote :


Is child-support a form of welfare?


CS is a subsidy with the intent of providing for folks (an ex-spouse) who cannot provide for themselves.


I'm not in a spousal-support state, but what about SS?


Me, I think both are forms of welfare. We even have government offices that collect -- and often garnish -- the money, then redistribute it through a mechanism very similar to the mainstream tax-and-pay welfare we're used to seeing.


Non-payment of CS/SS is also handled in similar fashion, either with continued garnishing, or imprisonment.


- Saul


Child support is intended to benefit the child, but it is de facto welfare anymore. The system that manages and deals with all that is beyond corrupt.


Interesting story. I lived with my mother for a while after my parents divorced. For the last couple of years before I went to college, I lived with dad. When mom sent the CS check, dad just handed it to me on the logic that it was supposed to be for my benefit anyway.
Interesting that you mention that, james. It's exactly what I do now that my daughters are older.
 
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interesting point... never thought of it from that point of view. i do agree that the system itself is flawed, and needs a serious overhaul.
 
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You're confusing Child Support with Alimony. Child Support is not for the maintenance of the ex-spouse... it is to fulfill your moral obligation to the care of your child.


I don't believe that I as an individual should be morally obligated to compensate for the poor decisions of others. However, the creation of a child is entirely my decision, and I as a human being must accept responsibility for it... which includes paying my share of the child's expenses.


I agree that if the man falls on hard times, it is way too difficult to get child support rates adjusted. By its very definition, when a guy hits times hard enough that he can't pay child support, that means he also can't pay a lawyer to represent him.


This does result in good men falling hopelessly behind and resulting in enormous child support debts that cannot possibly be repaid and unjust imprisonment. This system needs to be reformed.


On the other hand, we have women who get no support whatsoever from the father and have to support the child alone for many years, and that is equally unjust to both the woman and the child.


Courts need to look first after the best interest of the child. They just need to get to the point where theyrecognize that destroying the father is seldom in the best interest of the child.
RobinPlano....


Just want you to know that I love your comment on this one. Everything what you said in your comment are truelly amazing to me.... You had explained it intellectualy. I myself didn't ask any wife alemony from my ex husband.... but I ha told him that he needs to do his part of his obligations to our two young children that still needs his support. All of my three children lived with me and I enjoyed them dearly.


Chiled Support is not a Welfare at all!!!!
 
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I have a pretty good relationship (now) with my ex-husband (my daughters' father). He is a good man and I have a lot of respect and affection for him.


Early in our divorce, he (at the instigation of second wife, I think, who never got child support from *her* ex), he tried to put stipulations on how the child support was to be used. I told him if he was going to be controlling in that way, he could keepthe effing child support because I didn't want it. After all, we were living in the same town, we shared legal and physical custody,and he could have chosen to support the girls more directly


He chose to continue paying the traditional form of child support (meaning,transferring funds to meuntil recently, when I've asked him to transfer funds directly to each child). I thought that was interesting.


At the same time, I'd like to point out that the amount has stayed flat for over a decade, despite the growing disparity in our incomes and the increasing cost of living (and cost of teenagers, lol).


It's an imperfect system at best.
 
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