Stem Cells and Oil Wells

There is no change in policy regarding the "destruction of human embryos for research purposes."

other than the feds funding it now....

sure was a lot of political hoopla over this, considering the net effect is where the $$ comes from. again with the gov't thinking (and some people) that they can to it better.. must.... control....... every.. thing!

Well, if they are also funding the experiments to find such cures as Cancer, Alzheimer, Parkinson, Diabetes, etc.; why wouldnt' they help fund an area that has shown significant advances in finding such cures?

saulgoode Post #22 March 10,2009, 12:49pm

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Most of us conservative hicks here in KY don't qualify as environmentalists. On the other hand, we could probably lecture the enviros about nature for weeks and still not educate them about its true nature, but we aren't given to lecturing generally.

Embryonic stem cells. There is no middle ground on this for me. When Obama signed an order allowing the killing of human beings for scientific research, he stopped being my president.

You said that a couple months ago already. You can only excommunicate him once. Unless of course for some reasons you de-excommunicated him, and now you're going back on it and re-de-excommunicating him (no backsies).

Oh, and regardless of what you say, he IS your president so long as you are a US citizen.

No one signed any order allowing the killing of human beings for scientific research. You are ignoring facts, please stop and go read what has been said in this thread. Or don't, ignorance is bliss afterall.

IIRC, he signed an order allowing embryonic stem cell experiments which involve destruction of human embryos for research purposes, yes? That qualifies as killing people, AFAIC.

Originally, I was just stirring the pot during the election with the not my president thing. But with this order, it became for real. Regardless of what you say.

Well, you could always get your fellow extreme right conservative "hicks" together and secede (or at least try to) from the United States.

That does seem to be the latest 'sore loser' partisan threat.

Funny how the other side never made that threat, even during 8 long years of your boy's fascist dictatorship.

Oh, the second secession would be a lot different than the first. The South and Midwest would cut off and isolatethe Northeast and the West Coast, and then annex the fragmented blue states around the Great Lakes. The leftish states are too fractured geographically. The red states, though, they have a solid chunk of land cut through the good ol USSA.

The red states also supply the vast majority of military personnel, and houseour biggest bases.

There would be no try to secede. Rather, we'd have a bunch of blue states trying to follow us as we forged ahead. After wecut off their electricity and gas and petrol, thenstopped giving them food and federal bailout monies, they'd beg to join the new union.

Boy, now that'd be change, wouldn't it!

- Saul

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jamesp81,523795 wrote :

IIRC, he signed an order allowing embryonic stem cell experiments which involve destruction of human embryos for research purposes, yes? That qualifies as killing people, AFAIC.

President Obama reversed a limitation from 2001 whereby then President George W. Bush restricted the use of federal funds my tax money to research only the 21 pre-existing stem cell lines.

Fixed it for you. So the difference is that he's allowing funding for researching on stem cells that were derived from embryos that have already been destroyed? That doesn't make it any better for me. He's spending my tax money on a project that is tainted by death.

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There is no change in policy regarding the "destruction of human embryos for research purposes."

other than the feds funding it now....

No, not even that ...

saulgoode Post #25 March 10,2009, 12:54pm

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There is no change in policy regarding the "destruction of human embryos for research purposes."

Actually, the conservative standpoint on embryonic stem cell research is very similar to the liberal argument on energy and the environment.

Both sides say we shouldn't take the easy way out. Don't just drill more oil. Don't just seed more embryos for their cells.

Rather, research alternative energies.

Rather, research alternative cures.

Both parties throw down the gauntlet, and challenge the other side to think about an alternate means of reaching the same goal. Neither one is against the ends, just the means.

- Saul

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saulgoode,523901 wrote :

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Good points. In the Civil War, at any given moment, the 1/3 of the Confederate Army was without shoes yet enjoyed a significant casualty ratio over the Union Army. This was accomplished without any real industrial base.

Things are different. They don't call it the 'rust belt' for nothing. Most of the manufacturing centers in the Northeast are rotting, rusting hulks long since shutdown, whereas the South and Midwest retain some degree of industrial capability. Add to that the points you already made: the South and Midwest supply a disproportionate number of our military personnel and those areas also control most of the oil and arable land.

In short, the red states of this Union really don't do anything but tolerate the other ones. Sad but true.

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jamesp81,523903 wrote :

So you were as vitriolic in response to George W. Bush's 2001 allowance for federal funding of the original 21 lines?

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saulgoode,523907 wrote :

The liberal position on both issues is in favor of additional research ...

Federal restrictions prohibit funding for programs engaging in what you refer to as "seed[ing] more embryos for their cells."

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Drill it all, I say.

My Uncle's ranch has grasshopper well pumps smack in the middle of his pasture. The cattle eat within ten feet of it.

Drive through Rifle, CO sometime. You'll see derricksspotting the mountainsides, dotting the pastures, running alongside the roadways. The wellfootprint is little more than what you'd get with a nice sized house. Drive up to a rig. They'll let you, but you'd better have a 4WD. Hop out, ask for the company man and a tour. Except for the mud pit -- which they'll clean up -- it's just a couple of shacks and some generators, some pipes and pumps and motors, a rig, some smelly and dirty guys, and a gravel driveway to park their 4WDs.

I gave my son some pictures ofa couple ofchipmunks running through the trees surrounding a rig, and you often see wildlife within easy shooting distance.

Drive through Midland, TX. You'll see the same thing, but without the mountains. Potchmarked wells as far as you can see, surrounded by cattle and wildlife. Except for the derrick, you wouldn't see the well at all.

That pollution stuff is a myth.

- Saul

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