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saulgoode is offline saulgoode Post #21  March 10,2009, 2:52pm
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Cyclist_Steve,523540 wrote :

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Then there are those in the middle, who can discuss topics without getting inflamed, who aren't as frustrated as I am by the other side's viewpoint. It's this place where I want to learn to stand.





are you saying you want your viewpoint to move to the middle, or that you want to be johnny tolerant, and sit with even keel, right in the midst of a storm on both sides?





personally - i don't want to budge on my viewpoint. (this drives the libs mad, but when is the last time you've seen them compromise?) let the policymakers do that as that's what they do. if nobody stands on principle, then what's the point?
I want to be able to see from the other side. It helps you understand their viewpoint, and many times it helps you with your own argument.


If you understand why someone feels the way they feel, then you might offer a more fitting rebuttal. Or, you might be more tolerant of that viewpoint, having better understood their motives.


I also want to see some of the cracks in my own points, and within my party. By arguing the opposing side, you uncover some interesting notions.


This doesn't mean I'll get soft, or move closer to "the middle," (which is already on the left). I just want to gain some insight is all.


- Saul
 
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Cyclist_Steve is offline Cyclist_Steve Post #22  March 10,2009, 3:17pm
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saulgoode,524030 wrote :

Cyclist_Steve,523540 wrote :


saulgoode,523460 wrote :


Then there are those in the middle, who can discuss topics without getting inflamed, who aren't as frustrated as I am by the other side's viewpoint. It's this place where I want to learn to stand.





are you saying you want your viewpoint to move to the middle, or that you want to be johnny tolerant, and sit with even keel, right in the midst of a storm on both sides?





personally - i don't want to budge on my viewpoint. (this drives the libs mad, but when is the last time you've seen them compromise?) let the policymakers do that as that's what they do. if nobody stands on principle, then what's the point?


I want to be able to see from the other side. It helps you understand their viewpoint, and many times it helps you with your own argument.


If you understand why someone feels the way they feel, then you might offer a more fitting rebuttal. Or, you might be more tolerant of that viewpoint, having better understood their motives.


I also want to see some of the cracks in my own points, and within my party. By arguing the opposing side, you uncover some interesting notions.


This doesn't mean I'll get soft, or move closer to "the middle," (which is already on the left). I just want to gain some insight is all.


- Saul
saul - maybe that's why i'm so ticked off right now? i WAS a liberal - and quite a feisty one at that (tough to imagine, i'm sure). i think i do understand not only the thought process, but the motivation, as having lived it once myself. i got the viewpoint, glad to be shed of it. i understand the argument - and don't want to revisit it. i personally don't want to be tolerant of it - i want to defeat it. in a loving, caring way, of course. it's too darn bad that i'm not more articulate or edumakated in my point of view. i see things from the ground level - and believe me, it doesn't look good.
 
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saulgoode,524030 wrote :

I want to be able to see from the other side. It helps you understand their viewpoint, and many times it helps you with your own argument.


If you understand why someone feels the way they feel, then you might offer a more fitting rebuttal. Or, you might be more tolerant of that viewpoint, having better understood their motives.


I also want to see some of the cracks in my own points, and within my party. By arguing the opposing side, you uncover some interesting notions.


This doesn't mean I'll get soft, or move closer to "the middle," (which is already on the left). I just want to gain some insight is all.


- Saul
Now, that was nicely put! Very good points.
 
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Yes that's quite true. When I was a Liberal in college, I was a student leader of the most radical student political group my freshman year. I was a feminist. I was alsoin the Student Govt (2 years) representing the widest variety of ethnic groups (the Spanish club, Latino Club, Chinese Club,Black Student Union, ConservationClub+ religious affliliations Christian and Jewish-all sought me to represent them to get money from the Student Government.


We doled out 1 million a year & because of apathy, not many students really participated on the highest levels. It was sometimetowards the end?of Freshman year when we debated the Young Republicans. The President there present a moderate (as opposed to other members) approach.


Webecameacquaintainces and the next year when he ran forStudent Govt. President, he asked me to be hiselection campaign manager. I know mentioning this that today it's small potatoes. But it gave me first hand view of how both Liberals and Conservatives could work together ifwe respected each others views.


And in saying this, I publicly apologize to the word police for insulting them the last couple of weeks. Since this is devisive and not good for our Community, I pledge to stop (as much as I can) insulting word police. Without fair word police (ugg-hey I'm trying!) a website can deteriorate into name calling and chaos.


May we all be a little more sensitive to each other here. Thank you word police for your patience with me. I wish I could tell you why I had turned so bitter towards the word police starting eight years ago per someonline experiences. Peace and all good energy.


PS: Kindly word police when the moderators delete my posts, please don't accuse me of doing such.
 
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rix is offline rix Post #25  March 13,2009, 3:53am
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It is human nature to demonize "the other". Professor Elaine Pagels contends in her book "The Origin of Satan" that this is how belief in a supreme being of evil originally began, out ofthe inherent need to demonize "the other". Andsince we have a tendency to go to extremes,and ourside can't be wrong, it is "the other" that is both wrong and evil. It doesn't matter who "the other" may be.Therefore, what once began as part of the theodicy equation to explain the existence of evil in the world alongside an all-good and all-powerful God, soon gave way to belief of "our side" being crusaders in the cause of goodness and righteousness, and "the other" being aligned with the forces of darkness and evil.
 
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