zana is offline zana Post #1  January 25,2009, 4:22pm
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I can see by reading many many of the posts on eHA, how intolerant some people are to points of view that are completely different to theirs and how much angst and division this causes....


Me for example, while I may defend my point of view, I can always see and understand why someone else feels the way they do.... I may just be diametrically opposed to their point of view....


It's interesting that some people cant really be tolerant....


Oh and I havent felt much intolerance of late, just commenting on how I am seeing other people's intolerance to certain topics.... sometimes its quite sad and other times quite funny...


How tolerant are you to people who are totally unlike you? Do you think they are id*iots for not ascribing to your point of view? Are you rude to them? Or do you just give them a wide berth?
 
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You are just now noticing that?
 
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Noooooo, of course I am not just now noticing it.... but it just seems kinda worse of late.... I joined up some months ago and took a break and came back on recently and people's intolerance for others point of view just seem quite unreasonable at times....


I know it sometimes can be a number of factors.... I am just curious to know what others thing...


I am just curious to know why people behave the way they do, in relation to intolerance....


Come people, surely someone has some self-awareness that also has no tolerance? Or are those mutually exclusive?
 
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Isn't self-awareness with no tolerance just narcissism?


But shouldn't you be in love with your own ideas if you're going to keep them alive, feed them, nurture them?


Is the intolerance you speak of the same as rudeness? Bad manners? Tactlessness? Unfair gameplaying?
 
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Intolerance can come in many guises..... I think it is rudeness, bad manners and tactlessness, but not gameplaying... as that requires more self awareness.... dont you think?


I dont necessarily think self awareness without tolerance as being exclusively narcisism.... cant you be self aware, intolerant and just a rude, cranky old b*astard (not necessarily narcissisistic).... lol :P
 
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Intolerance is staunch, divisive, often smug and definitely insecure. Personally, I find it to be not so bright.


By definition, self-awareness shouldembrace a"work-in-progress" mentality,allowingfor inner curiosity,questioning, seeing,probing understanding and further understanding. Knowledge is seamless. None of us ever arrive at a position of all-knowing. If we are truly self-aware, would we not be aware of this and be willing to reconsider and possibly revise, all in the spirit of learning?
 
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shoelace,453199 wrote :

Isn't self-awareness with no tolerance just narcissism?


But shouldn't you be in love with your own ideas if you're going to keep them alive, feed them, nurture them?


Is the intolerance you speak of the same as rudeness? Bad manners? Tactlessness? Unfair gameplaying?
Regarding your second point, if you are going tonuture your ideas, do you continue feeding them the same diet? Sometimes there is truth in opposing opinions, but if we are holding too tightly to our own views, we might miss this.


Iagree thatthe OP is talking about not so much keeping our own ideas, butthe MANNER in which we chooseto disagree, which is all thenegatives you have mentioned, and then some.


I think all those negatives (rudness, bad manners, etc.) are driven by the EGO, which needs to be rightand win more than it needs to learn something new.True self-awareness is the opposite of the EGO.
 
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zana,453222 wrote :

Intolerance can come in many guises..... I think it is rudeness, bad manners and tactlessness, but not gameplaying... as that requires more self awareness.... dont you think?


I dont necessarily think self awareness without tolerance as being exclusively narcisism.... cant you be self aware, intolerant and just a rude, cranky old b*astard (not necessarily narcissisistic).... lol :P
I agree, gameplaying has more to do with deceit with a dash of selfishness added for flavor. In fact, it probably works best if you gain another's confidence first, thus intolerance would spoil the gameplaying.


And the statement about narcissism was said mostly with tongue in cheek (I couldn't find a smiley face to go with that sentiment ). If narcissists are consumed by the self, are they necessarily self-aware? And they would more likely simply ignore other people's concerns than be intolerant of them.


Regarding intolerance, what might you be missing in yourself to allow that? And if you're missing something, can you still be self-aware?
 
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zana, wrote :


I can see by reading many many of the posts on eHA, how intolerant some people are to points of view that are completely different to theirs and how much angst and division this causes....


Me for example, while I may defend my point of view, I can always see and understand why someone else feels the way they do.... I may just be diametrically opposed to their point of view....


It's interesting that some people cant really be tolerant....


Oh and I havent felt much intolerance of late, just commenting on how I am seeing other people's intolerance to certain topics.... sometimes its quite sad and other times quite funny...


How tolerant are you to people who are totally unlike you? Do you think they are id*iots for not ascribing to your point of view? Are you rude to them? Or do you just give them a wide berth?


I simply say whether i think it's right or wrong and leave it at that,on some topics that's all it takes to be called intolerant...tolerance thus defined means agree with me or shut up....not very tolerant.
 
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Bandmate,454523 wrote :

zana, wrote :


I can see by reading many many of the posts on eHA, how intolerant some people are to points of view that are completely different to theirs and how much angst and division this causes....


Me for example, while I may defend my point of view, I can always see and understand why someone else feels the way they do.... I may just be diametrically opposed to their point of view....


It's interesting that some people cant really be tolerant....


Oh and I havent felt much intolerance of late, just commenting on how I am seeing other people's intolerance to certain topics.... sometimes its quite sad and other times quite funny...


How tolerant are you to people who are totally unlike you? Do you think they are id*iots for not ascribing to your point of view? Are you rude to them? Or do you just give them a wide berth?


I simply say whether i think it's right or wrong and leave it at that,on some topics that's all it takes to be called intolerant...tolerance thus defined means agree with me or shut up....not very tolerant.
Bandmate, with all due respect, you don't simply state what you believe. You state your belief, presume it's absolutely correct, and then you proceed to bash anyone who disagrees with you.
 
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