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nancymargrit is offline nancymargrit Post #51  January 19,2009, 11:27am

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Sorry I can't help you with the books.


If I may, I'll throw another philosophy into the loop:


"Start in your own backyard". I don't mean this to sound nasty or anything. It's just that sometimes I think we get so focused on the problems in other countries that we forget our own people. There's nothing wrong with helping people in other countries, but people here need help just as badly. For example, here in Edmonton there are 4000 homeless people. With temperatures going down to -35 at times in the winter, these people don't have enough shelters or clothing to keep them warm. They also need one good meal a day. There are organizations trying to help them, but they are often short on supplies and money. I'll gladly help another country after the people here have been helped adequately.


I think people are people, and poverty is poverty, and suffering is suffering, no matter where it happens. Increasingly, we are global citizens. What happens in someone else's backyard affects us too.


As individual contributors, we can make a difference in our communities and in distant communities, and the help is equally appreciated and equally needed all over.


What inspired my thread to start with was knowing that all across the globe, we produce enough food to feed the world's 6 billion people. Yet daily, children die of starvation and malnourishment. Changing something at that scale requires a whole-scale strategy and I was curious to know what experts thought would bridge the gap.


As I said in my OP, I don't think I myself will live long enough to see global eradication of poverty. But what are the things that experts believe will help?


That's what I was curious about, not whether it is possible, but how to come closer to that ideal.


I understand where you're coming from. With the Internet and satellite TV and faxes and text messaging, I think our world has become a lot smaller than it was 50 years ago. We've become more aware that there are people and cultures beyond our own boarders. My own feeling is that our own communities have to be strong and healthy before we can start helping people outside of those communities. It would be nice if there was an easy way to divide up the resources between our own needs and the needs of other communities.


This reminds me of something else. I was watching a program last year about coffee growers in Ethiopia. I'm sorry I can't remember the name of the program; it was on PBS. The head of one of the collectives there said that the farmers in his country don't need more money from Western countries. What they desparately need is for Western farmers to come to Ethiopia to spend time with farmers there; the farmers need the education more than they need the money. If they learn better agricultural methods and pest control from Western farmers, they'd be able to become more self-sufficient and then they wouldn't have to depend on our money as much.


It's something else to think about.
The program was called "Black Coffee" and was on again on the weekend here. It talks a lot about how the farmers in Ethiopia (among other African countries) need education more than they need money. It also talks a lot about the politics that go in to growing coffee in Africa and selling it in Europe and North America. Europeans and North Americans are looking more at the profit end of things rather than at education.
 
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Bandmate is offline Bandmate Post #52  January 19,2009, 2:19pm

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The causes of poverty other than it's all whities faultare ignored as usual


This is a generalization that I won't accept.


Never ask you to accept it,better yet refute it with some credible evidence


REMEMBER : DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!


Don't worry - I won't feed the trolls. I'd rather use the food to feed the homeless here in Edmonton.


I think the burden of proof lies on bandmate - show me that all whites are at fault. Better yet, give me specific examples of how my behavior is causing you hardship. Exactly what is it that I am doing to cause your problems.


You need to stop feeling sorry for yourself. Get off your duff and start making your own way through life.
I was being sarcastic,it used to be whities fault but it's not anymore
 
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Sorry I can't help you with the books.


If I may, I'll throw another philosophy into the loop:


"Start in your own backyard". I don't mean this to sound nasty or anything. It's just that sometimes I think we get so focused on the problems in other countries that we forget our own people. There's nothing wrong with helping people in other countries, but people here need help just as badly. For example, here in Edmonton there are 4000 homeless people. With temperatures going down to -35 at times in the winter, these people don't have enough shelters or clothing to keep them warm. They also need one good meal a day. There are organizations trying to help them, but they are often short on supplies and money. I'll gladly help another country after the people here have been helped adequately.


I think people are people, and poverty is poverty, and suffering is suffering, no matter where it happens. Increasingly, we are global citizens. What happens in someone else's backyard affects us too.


As individual contributors, we can make a difference in our communities and in distant communities, and the help is equally appreciated and equally needed all over.


What inspired my thread to start with was knowing that all across the globe, we produce enough food to feed the world's 6 billion people. Yet daily, children die of starvation and malnourishment. Changing something at that scale requires a whole-scale strategy and I was curious to know what experts thought would bridge the gap.


As I said in my OP, I don't think I myself will live long enough to see global eradication of poverty. But what are the things that experts believe will help?


That's what I was curious about, not whether it is possible, but how to come closer to that ideal.
Dictators are dictators,Civil wars are Civil wars and corruption is corruption unless you have answers for those things you have no answers for poverty.
 
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The causes of poverty other than it's all whities faultare ignored as usual


This is a generalization that I won't accept.


Never ask you to accept it,better yet refute it with some credible evidence


REMEMBER : DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!


Don't worry - I won't feed the trolls. I'd rather use the food to feed the homeless here in Edmonton.


I think the burden of proof lies on bandmate - show me that all whites are at fault. Better yet, give me specific examples of how my behavior is causing you hardship. Exactly what is it that I am doing to cause your problems.


You need to stop feeling sorry for yourself. Get off your duff and start making your own way through life.


I was being sarcastic,it used to be whities fault but it's not anymore
I should have guessed - my apologies for the snarly post.
 
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Sorry I can't help you with the books.


If I may, I'll throw another philosophy into the loop:


"Start in your own backyard". I don't mean this to sound nasty or anything. It's just that sometimes I think we get so focused on the problems in other countries that we forget our own people. There's nothing wrong with helping people in other countries, but people here need help just as badly. For example, here in Edmonton there are 4000 homeless people. With temperatures going down to -35 at times in the winter, these people don't have enough shelters or clothing to keep them warm. They also need one good meal a day. There are organizations trying to help them, but they are often short on supplies and money. I'll gladly help another country after the people here have been helped adequately.


I think people are people, and poverty is poverty, and suffering is suffering, no matter where it happens. Increasingly, we are global citizens. What happens in someone else's backyard affects us too.


As individual contributors, we can make a difference in our communities and in distant communities, and the help is equally appreciated and equally needed all over.


What inspired my thread to start with was knowing that all across the globe, we produce enough food to feed the world's 6 billion people. Yet daily, children die of starvation and malnourishment. Changing something at that scale requires a whole-scale strategy and I was curious to know what experts thought would bridge the gap.


As I said in my OP, I don't think I myself will live long enough to see global eradication of poverty. But what are the things that experts believe will help?


That's what I was curious about, not whether it is possible, but how to come closer to that ideal.


Dictators are dictators,Civil wars are Civil wars and corruption is corruption unless you have answers for those things you have no answers for poverty.
It's not going to be easy to get rid of dictators or corruption or civil wars. Every generation seems to have its share of these. All of us have the potential to turn into mad men (or women). Not all of us reach this stage - we're able to put our energies to positive and creative uses. You just never know when the switch is going to flip the other way.
 
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Sorry I can't help you with the books.


If I may, I'll throw another philosophy into the loop:


"Start in your own backyard". I don't mean this to sound nasty or anything. It's just that sometimes I think we get so focused on the problems in other countries that we forget our own people. There's nothing wrong with helping people in other countries, but people here need help just as badly. For example, here in Edmonton there are 4000 homeless people. With temperatures going down to -35 at times in the winter, these people don't have enough shelters or clothing to keep them warm. They also need one good meal a day. There are organizations trying to help them, but they are often short on supplies and money. I'll gladly help another country after the people here have been helped adequately.


I think people are people, and poverty is poverty, and suffering is suffering, no matter where it happens. Increasingly, we are global citizens. What happens in someone else's backyard affects us too.


As individual contributors, we can make a difference in our communities and in distant communities, and the help is equally appreciated and equally needed all over.


What inspired my thread to start with was knowing that all across the globe, we produce enough food to feed the world's 6 billion people. Yet daily, children die of starvation and malnourishment. Changing something at that scale requires a whole-scale strategy and I was curious to know what experts thought would bridge the gap.


As I said in my OP, I don't think I myself will live long enough to see global eradication of poverty. But what are the things that experts believe will help?


That's what I was curious about, not whether it is possible, but how to come closer to that ideal.


Dictators are dictators,Civil wars are Civil wars and corruption is corruption unless you have answers for those things you have no answers for poverty.


It's not going to be easy to get rid of dictators or corruption or civil wars. Every generation seems to have its share of these. All of us have the potential to turn into mad men (or women). Not all of us reach this stage - we're able to put our energies to positive and creative uses. You just never know when the switch is going to flip the other way.
I can't think of a single one that ever went peacefuly
 
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Sorry I can't help you with the books.


If I may, I'll throw another philosophy into the loop:


"Start in your own backyard". I don't mean this to sound nasty or anything. It's just that sometimes I think we get so focused on the problems in other countries that we forget our own people. There's nothing wrong with helping people in other countries, but people here need help just as badly. For example, here in Edmonton there are 4000 homeless people. With temperatures going down to -35 at times in the winter, these people don't have enough shelters or clothing to keep them warm. They also need one good meal a day. There are organizations trying to help them, but they are often short on supplies and money. I'll gladly help another country after the people here have been helped adequately.


I think people are people, and poverty is poverty, and suffering is suffering, no matter where it happens. Increasingly, we are global citizens. What happens in someone else's backyard affects us too.


As individual contributors, we can make a difference in our communities and in distant communities, and the help is equally appreciated and equally needed all over.


What inspired my thread to start with was knowing that all across the globe, we produce enough food to feed the world's 6 billion people. Yet daily, children die of starvation and malnourishment. Changing something at that scale requires a whole-scale strategy and I was curious to know what experts thought would bridge the gap.


As I said in my OP, I don't think I myself will live long enough to see global eradication of poverty. But what are the things that experts believe will help?


That's what I was curious about, not whether it is possible, but how to come closer to that ideal.


Dictators are dictators,Civil wars are Civil wars and corruption is corruption unless you have answers for those things you have no answers for poverty.


It's not going to be easy to get rid of dictators or corruption or civil wars. Every generation seems to have its share of these. All of us have the potential to turn into mad men (or women). Not all of us reach this stage - we're able to put our energies to positive and creative uses. You just never know when the switch is going to flip the other way.


I can't think of a single one that ever went peacefuly
Neither can I.
 
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