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I'm just curious what some consider the difference between the 2. I personally don't see that there is a difference. Yet the 2 words exist. Here are there correct meanings...


Prejudice:


preconceived judgment or opinion (2): an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b: an instance of such judgment or opinion c: an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


Racist:



1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.






2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.






3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
 
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m8se69, wrote :

I'm just curious what some consider the difference between the 2. I personally don't see that there is a difference. Yet the 2 words exist. Here are there correct meanings...


Prejudice:


preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


Racist:



1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.






2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.






3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


Racism deals specifically with race. Prejudice just expands that mentality to a wider spectrum. Someone that is a racist is also prejudice. But someone can be prejudice without being a racist. That's my opinion.
 
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Racism proports that one race is innately superior to others, whereas prejudice is a negative attitude towards an entire category of people ... sometimes on the basis of race or ethnicity, but also prevelant in relation to age, disability, gender or sexual orientation.


Racists tend to display prejudice but prejudice beliefs extend beyond those whom are racist.
 
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The word prejudice is more generally descriptive andmore varied in usage. For example, we've all heardit said, "He was prejudiced toward my client."This particular word can be used in ways not necessarily relatingto race.


The wordracism is used to describebeliefin the superiority of one race over another. We must remember that people are not born racist. It is learned. Racism was originally constructed in this country as a way of affording power to one group of people over another.
 
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ThePriestess,384578 wrote :

Racism proports that one race is innately superior to others, whereas prejudice is a negative attitude towards an entire category of people ... sometimes on the basis of race or ethnicity, but also prevelant in relation to age, disability, gender or sexual orientation.


Racists tend to display prejudice but prejudice beliefs extend beyond those whom are racist.
so is it racest to say, white men can't jump, implying as a group, blacks seem to be able to jump higher than white guys?


is it racist to say as a whole, blacks male youth are leaner and have a lower percent body fat than their caucasian counterparts?


Is it racist to say as a whole, blacks age much slower in the face due to sun damage than caucasians do?


Ok, now is it racist to say as a whole, whites have a higher average IQ than blacks do?


funny how the moment you pick one that is in favor of whites, suddenly its racist. despite facts proving the point, it is considered racist and abhored. seems a bit of a double standard to me.
 
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omac,386636 wrote :


ThePriestess,384578 wrote :


Racism proports that one race is innately superior to others, whereas prejudice is a negative attitude towards an entire category of people ... sometimes on the basis of race or ethnicity, but also prevelant in relation to age, disability, gender or sexual orientation.


Racists tend to display prejudice but prejudice beliefs extend beyond those whom are racist.


so is it racest to say, white men can't jump, implying as a group, blacks seem to be able to jump higher than white guys?


is it racist to say as a whole, blacks male youth are leaner and have a lower percent body fat than their caucasian counterparts?


Is it racist to say as a whole, blacks age much slower in the face due to sun damage than caucasians do?


Ok, now is it racist to say as a whole, whites have a higher average IQ than blacks do?


funny how the moment you pick one that is in favor of whites, suddenly its racist. despite facts proving the point, it is considered racist and abhored. seems a bit of a double standard to me.








Ok, now is it racist to say as a whole, whites have a higher average IQ than blacks do?


Uh...duh...thisIS racist. I was in I.G.C. (Intellectually Gifted) classes from K-5th grade..with an entire class of intelligent students of color. If I told you my I.Q. you would faint and pass out. Let's just sayI have my name in "Who's Who in High School in America" due to my SAT scores, and I was offered a pass to be a MENSA member. ( turned it down after being invited to a MENSA dinner and seeing how out of touch most of the members were with 'real people).


In addition, I have two Masters degrees and a Doctorate. I graduated summa cum laude in undergard...and graduated at the top of my class in both Masters degrees and my Doctorate. I have 7 siblings who all have college degrees, ranging from a Bachelors degree to a Masters degree. As a woman of color...all of my friends have a college degree with 3 friends being doctors (one a well-rknown surgeon) and 3 friends are lawyers.


Your postsounds like you spend way too many lonely, angry nights reading "The Bell Curve"...screaming silently "what ever happened to the good ole days when the white man was the absolute king and ruler of this great country?". You really need to get over it.... getout more and make an effort to meet educated people of color because right now you are doing yourself a serious injustice posting such an ill-informed post.Your ire over the advancces made by peope of color will only drive you crazy...get away from the computer and calm down!


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legend29,386682 wrote :

omac,386636 wrote :


ThePriestess,384578 wrote :


Racism proports that one race is innately superior to others, whereas prejudice is a negative attitude towards an entire category of people ... sometimes on the basis of race or ethnicity, but also prevelant in relation to age, disability, gender or sexual orientation.


Racists tend to display prejudice but prejudice beliefs extend beyond those whom are racist.


so is it racest to say, white men can't jump, implying as a group, blacks seem to be able to jump higher than white guys?


is it racist to say as a whole, blacks male youth are leaner and have a lower percent body fat than their caucasian counterparts?


Is it racist to say as a whole, blacks age much slower in the face due to sun damage than caucasians do?


Ok, now is it racist to say as a whole, whites have a higher average IQ than blacks do?


funny how the moment you pick one that is in favor of whites, suddenly its racist. despite facts proving the point, it is considered racist and abhored. seems a bit of a double standard to me.








Ok, now is it racist to say as a whole, whites have a higher average IQ than blacks do?


Uh...duh...thisIS racist. I was in I.G.C. (Intellectually Gifted) classes from K-5th grade..with an entire class of intelligent students of color. If I told you my I.Q. you would faint and pass out. Let's just sayI have my name in "Who's Who in High School in America" due to my SAT scores, and I was offered a pass to be a MENSA member. ( turned it down after being invited to a MENSA dinner and seeing how out of touch most of the members were with 'real people).


In addition, I have two Masters degrees and a Doctorate. I graduated summa cum laude in undergard...and graduated at the top of my class in both Masters degrees and my Doctorate. I have 7 siblings who all have college degrees, ranging from a Bachelors degree to a Masters degree. As a woman of color...all of my friends have a college degree with 3 friends being doctors (one a well-rknown surgeon) and 3 friends are lawyers.


Your postsounds like you spent way too many lonely, angry nights reading "The Bell Curve". You really need to get out more and make an effort to meet educated people of color because right now you are doing yourself a serious mis-justice posting such an ill-informed post.


I will pray for you luv!




did the mensa thing. boring, bunch of dweebs. embarrassed to be seen with such crowd of underachieving nerds, at least at the meeting I attended. not saying all mensans are that way, but in this case, the stereotype seemed well deserved.


so are you saying that the data in the Bell Curve was not factual? what do you base that on? outside of your opinion, what facts can you bring to bare on the issue?


It was first published in The Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, December 13, 1994


The BELL CURVE for whites is centered roughly around IQ 100; the BELL CURVE for American blacks roughly around 85; and those for different subgroups of Hispanics roughly midway between those for whites and blacks. The evidence is less definitive for exactly where above IQ 100 the BELL CURVES for Jews and Asians are centered.


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Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic


The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast "a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural)."


"Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause," write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.


The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.


wow, so apparently even the scientist are not disputing "the bell curve"


are these scientists racist for stating the data?


apparently you would say yes. is that a fair assertion?
 
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legend29,386682 wrote :

omac,386636 wrote :


ThePriestess,384578 wrote :


Racism proports that one race is innately superior to others, whereas prejudice is a negative attitude towards an entire category of people ... sometimes on the basis of race or ethnicity, but also prevelant in relation to age, disability, gender or sexual orientation.


Racists tend to display prejudice but prejudice beliefs extend beyond those whom are racist.


so is it racest to say, white men can't jump, implying as a group, blacks seem to be able to jump higher than white guys?


is it racist to say as a whole, blacks male youth are leaner and have a lower percent body fat than their caucasian counterparts?


Is it racist to say as a whole, blacks age much slower in the face due to sun damage than caucasians do?


Ok, now is it racist to say as a whole, whites have a higher average IQ than blacks do?


funny how the moment you pick one that is in favor of whites, suddenly its racist. despite facts proving the point, it is considered racist and abhored. seems a bit of a double standard to me.








Ok, now is it racist to say as a whole, whites have a higher average IQ than blacks do?


Uh...duh...thisIS racist. I was in I.G.C. (Intellectually Gifted) classes from K-5th grade..with an entire class of intelligent students of color. If I told you my I.Q. you would faint and pass out. Let's just sayI have my name in "Who's Who in High School in America" due to my SAT scores, and I was offered a pass to be a MENSA member. ( turned it down after being invited to a MENSA dinner and seeing how out of touch most of the members were with 'real people).


In addition, I have two Masters degrees and a Doctorate. I graduated summa cum laude in undergard...and graduated at the top of my class in both Masters degrees and my Doctorate. I have 7 siblings who all have college degrees, ranging from a Bachelors degree to a Masters degree. As a woman of color...all of my friends have a college degree with 3 friends being doctors (one a well-rknown surgeon) and 3 friends are lawyers.


Your postsounds like you spent way too many lonely, angry nights reading "The Bell Curve". You really need to get out more and make an effort to meet educated people of color because right now you are doing yourself a serious injustice posting such an ill-informed post.


I will pray for you luv!




did the mensa thing. boring, bunch of dweebs. Embarrassed to be seen with such crowd of underachieving nerds, at least at the meeting I attended. not saying all mensans are that way, but in this case, the stereotype seemed well deserved.

so are you saying that the data in the Bell Curve was not factual? what do you base that on? outside of your opinion, what facts can you bring to bare on the issue?

It was first published in The Wall Street Journal, Tuesday, December 13, 1994

The BELL CURVE for whites is centered roughly around IQ 100; the BELL CURVE for American blacks roughly around 85; and those for different subgroups of Hispanics roughly midway between those for whites and blacks. The evidence is less definitive for exactly where above IQ 100 the BELL CURVES for Jews and Asians are centered.

and

Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

The lead article in the June 2005 issue of Psychology, Public Policy and Law, a journal of the American Psychological Association, examined 10 categories of research evidence from around the world to contrast "a hereditarian model (50% genetic-50% cultural) and a culture-only model (0% genetic-100% cultural)."

"Neither the existence nor the size of race differences in IQ are a matter of dispute, only their cause," write the authors. The Black-White difference has been found consistently from the time of the massive World War I Army testing of 90 years ago to a massive study of over 6 million corporate, military, and higher-education test-takers in 2001.

The Worldwide Pattern of IQ Scores. East Asians average higher on IQ tests than Whites, both in the U. S. and in Asia, even though IQ tests were developed for use in the Euro-American culture. Around the world, the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; and for Blacks about 85 in the U.S. and 70 in sub-Saharan Africa.
wow, so apparently even the scientist are not disputing "the bell curve"

are these scientists racist for stating the data?

apparently you would say yes. is that a fair assertion?
 
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omac,386636 wrote :


Ok, now is it racist to say as a whole, whites have a higher average IQ than blacks do?


Uh...duh...this*IS racist. I was in I.G.C. (Intellectually Gifted) classes from K-5th grade..with an entire class of intelligent students of color. If I told you my I.Q. you would faint and pass out. Let's just say*I have my name in "Who's Who in High School in America" due to my SAT scores, and I *was offered a pass to be a MENSA member. ( turned it down after being invited to a MENSA dinner and seeing how out of touch most of the members were with 'real people).


In addition, I have two Masters degrees and a Doctorate. I graduated summa cum laude in undergard...and graduated at the top of my class in both Masters degrees and my Doctorate. I have 7 siblings who all have college degrees, ranging from a Bachelors degree to a Masters degree. As a woman of color...all of my friends have a college degree with 3 friends being doctors (one a well-rknown surgeon) and 3 friends are lawyers.


Your post*sounds like you spend way too many lonely, angry nights reading "The Bell Curve"...screaming silently "what ever happened to the good ole days when the white man was the absolute king and ruler of this great country?". You really need to get over it.... get*out more and make an effort to meet educated people of color because right now you are doing yourself a serious injustice posting such an ill-informed post.*Your ire over the advancces made by peope of color will only drive you crazy...get away from the computer and calm down!


I will pray for you luv!




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I'd just like to point out that your entire post is based on anecdotal evidence, and then capped with one or more logical fallacies, such as appeal to authority and ad hominem.



I'm not saying, of course, that you're incorrect. But rather that you haven't proven your point well, and that none of your multiple degrees appear to have been in a quantitative field of investigation. :-)



Me, personally... I'm not sure that the statement is racist. But I think that the best argument that it is, or is at least irrelevant, are the problems with IQ measurement and testing.
 
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What the heck are you talking about, Omac...lol? The analysis in The Bell Curve is highly problemmatic; there is broad consensus on that among scientists.Youappear to be confusing differences in test scores with actual differences in the underlying trait,and environmental influenceswith genetics -- they are simply not the same. Have you actually looked at the journal that you're citing? If so, is there some reason that you are ignoring the other articles in the issue thatrefute what you are claiming (as you may or may not know, the authors of the lead article are quite controversial in this field)? In fact, even the article that you cite doesn't claim that the differences are "largely genetic," just that there is "some" genetic component.


If you're going to try to make a case, at least do it with information that isn't so flawed.
 
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